Posted on 11/10/2005 10:16:56 AM PST by Mike Bates
Gee, did Keyes attack one of your sacred cows, or is a black and white/good vs bad view just not fit the "Big Tent/Big Gulp" ideas of the current (R) Party and it's sycophants in the "Cult of Bush"?
Sorry for my skrew-up
I agree with your assessment of Dean. There are a few dangerous things when considering the concept of the mainstream. Firstly, where the real center is is open to quite a bit of debate. The error the dems make when using the term (beside their lack of understanding of where center actually is) is that center is correct. It is quite possible that what is correct or "right" is not found at dead center...in fact, I imagine most at this website (and the dem websites for that matter) would argue that the correct view is not center but closer to whichever end of the spectrum they happen to hold.
Outside of my dislike of reperations, nope.
Simply put look at President Reagan and Keyes.
They have most of the same beliefs.
Reagan acted like a sane person and understood people.
Keyes acts like a nut and doesn't understand people.
Thats why Reagan got elected governor and president multiple times and why Keyes couldn't win an election at all.
I never thought about the comparison between Dean and Keyes before, but I have to agree at least in respect to the propensity to constantly stick his foot in his mouth.
From the backtracking on his past criticism of Hillary for running for senator in a state she didn't live in and then doing the same thing, to supporting a form of reparations (no taxes) for slave descendants, to just the day-to-day sermonizing and lecturing and judging voters in his speeches rather than giving actual reasons to people to vote for him...
It was just embarrassing and set back the already wounded Illinois GOP immensely.
Did he say that? Man, you have to love that guy.
Probably wrote the article during a de-foliation session.
I do think he has potential.
I just think he needs to look at guys like President Reagan, and say John Aschroft (elected state auditor, 2 term attorney general, 2 term governor, 1 term senator..and was screwed out of a second term) or a Jesse Helms, and see how it is they stayed true to their beliefs but didn't harm and actually helped the party and won elections.
Thats why I compare dean to Keyes, Keyes is a non stop gaffing machine who acts like he hates the voters.
Spot the irony, folks.
Back in the 70s, that was known as "tellin' it like it is."
He's left a personal mark in my household over the years. I watch his reruns at least once or twice a week. Oh wait, that's Fred G. Sanford..Does it really matter? Either one of them have been fun to laugh at.
No, Dr. Dean is NOT like Alan Keyes, only in conservative clothing. Mr. Keyes was part of a patriotic event at our church several years ago, (not a political rally, FYI) and was there to give a speech. He was exciting, articulate, upbeat, coherent (something foreign to Dr. Dean), and intelligent. I will never forget it. He was really terrific.
Agreed. Plus he would not have let the potshots at him go unanswered. He would have kept the "war room" going. He would have deliberately sought a bunch of photo-ops...and "felt our pain." And he would have constantly questioned the sanity and motivations of his opponents. Laura would have opined about the "vast left wing conspiracy."
But instead it looks like GWB too often agrees with the attacks on the right by the MSM...and chimes in. He will go down as a failed resurrection of Richard Nixon. His sharp turns to the left only increased the Left's hatred and disdain...and did not convert them. Rove and Bush were there. Why they never internalized that massive Nixonian political failure is beyond me.
I'm sure you're correct, my misspelling controls rather Keyes is intelligent or not.
Not the entire county - just Carbondale - and perhaps, parts of Makanda.
If Keyes was like that at every event, at every speech, and in every interview, he would phenomenal.
But far to often, he shows hostility to voters who he could win over, he tries to belittle those who disagree (even if they don't actually disagree) and he goes out of his way to play chicken little or just gaffes like crazy.
Where Reagan got it right (after the ideology) is where Keyes went bizarely wrong.
In the same breath, where Clinton was a liberal and got himself elected, Dean (who really does have the same kind politics as Clinton) gets it wrong, and only won a single primary.
Its part of the reason I use the anology of keyes to Dean though I'm starting to think a more accurate way to put it might be a "What Keyes is to Reagan, Dean is to Clinton".
I think what you have stated is worthy of consideration.
Doubtful. Many on the far right would prefer to see rats elected over RINOs.
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