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"Mary, no hard feelings? Even in forced retirement, Mapes continues her legacy of accuracy, as neither Powerline, nor Spacetown, nor INDC Journal worked anonymously during the scandal. I invite everyone to revisit my September archives and peruse the "wild and hateful claims" made by INDC. Good times.

"I will grant her one thing - the "school of sharks" analogy is pretty accurate, though her description of a helpless victim (a multi-million dollar respected professional news organization) is a bit ... off. And let's not forget who chummed the water."

1 posted on 11/10/2005 5:34:56 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!

This makes my brain hurt.

There is one central fact in all this. The document was a forgery. Period. How Mary and Dan continue on with anything but apology? They cry, they whine, they blame others, the attempt to engage in revisions... incredible.

They have to be from another planet than me. I don't get it.


105 posted on 11/10/2005 6:18:21 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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Gotta get moving ...strapping on my shark fin


108 posted on 11/10/2005 6:19:46 AM PST by woofie
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To: shhrubbery!

The beauty of this thread is that you know the little whining brat's going to be reading it. So this little synopsis of your rant is for you, Mary - free of charge. You can use this condensed version of your whining for your booktour publicity newsletters:

"There I was, innocently smearing a sitting President right before an election with false information (standard and accepted procedure at CBS) - when I was suddenly attacked by vicious Free Republic members - who had the audacity to post fact after fact - which totally destroyed my prosecution. I gasped, I sagged, I slumped on the floor...sighing, crying, heaving, upchucking, soiling myself. 'How could this happen to me?' I thought, 'I'm Mary Mapes, Mistress of the MSM universe, beyond question or reproach. It says so in the CBS charter. And I didn't do anything I haven't done my whole career, or anything anybody else is doing right now!'"

Then...the awful truth hit me. I fainted, I burped, I swooned, then drooled face down on the prickly CBS boardroom carpet. I had been set up. Rove and Free Republic had masterminded the whole thing!!!" ...


109 posted on 11/10/2005 6:20:01 AM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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The Freepers and their lockstep like-minded fellow travelers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim.

Actually, I thought we were a fierce, warlike tribe of ... internet brothers.

111 posted on 11/10/2005 6:20:48 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Not surprisingly, they all agreed with him, they all agreed with one another, and they all agreed this should be pursued aggressively. Freethinkers they are not.

Not so. Mapes' one shot at salvation came from a Freeper who pointed out that the IBM Selectric Composer did have the font, the superscript and the kerning, although the spacing coincidence was too highly improbable : here and here

114 posted on 11/10/2005 6:21:29 AM PST by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- Rush Limbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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The Freepers and their lockstep like-minded fellow travelers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim

So CBS News is an unaware and unarmed victim? LOL! I don't think even Dan Rather drinks that much kool-aide..
120 posted on 11/10/2005 6:22:37 AM PST by Liberty Valance (MR. STICK FIGURE FOR WH PRESS SECRETARY!)
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School of sharks doing a "drunken blogging brawl (because that's what it was)" [from this morning's American Morning with O'Brien^2].


123 posted on 11/10/2005 6:23:58 AM PST by sauropod (Susan Estrich is Nina Burleigh with a law degree. -- Doug from Upland)
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Well Mary seems to be enjoying her new dip in shark infested waters as she hawks the hack book.

The bottom line which she conveniently forgets to mention is that no amount of blogging could undermine a new story supported by facts and even a routine level of verification/documentaion.

On the other hand blogging including experts can undue an partisan heavy-handed lie.


125 posted on 11/10/2005 6:24:58 AM PST by rod1
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To: shhrubbery!
Only a complete jackass could defend the cBS debacle, but this is the state of the liberal MSM, and we can't expect any better treatment from them even when we catch them with their pants or skirts down.
128 posted on 11/10/2005 6:25:38 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: shhrubbery!

In addition to ignoring the fact the the documents were frauds, Mapes lies about the behavior of FReepers. I was on those early threads urging caution, because I had actually used an IBM Composer in the early 70s, and I had see type balls with superscripts.

It actually took about 48 hours for all the coffin nails to get pounded into place, not the smallest of which was provided by the owner of a Composer who tried to duplicate the documents.


130 posted on 11/10/2005 6:26:43 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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And on their Web sites there is no disagreement. They hate in unison, they speak with one angry voice, they each make themselves bigger by staying as close together as possible.

Just a little peek into the mind of the kind of people who put together the MSM news.

Speaking for myself here (feel free to disagree!), I do not hate people, but I do hate lies. Generally speaking, I am not an angry person, but lies make me angry. And when I band together to fight for the right, I find no shame in that.

132 posted on 11/10/2005 6:28:17 AM PST by gridlock (Remember: Choosy newsies choose Iowahawk!)
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I will grant her one thing - the "school of sharks" analogy is pretty accurate, though her description of a helpless victim (a multi-million dollar respected professional news organization) is a bit ... off. And let's not forget who chummed the water."

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I won't even grant her that. Sharks don't "school". They are powerful independent predators who love their unchallenged freedom and have a mean temper when aroused. This was no school of sheepish fish that attacked a bleeding CBS. The wounds were self inflicted and the Freeper "sharks" devoured the pray quickly and mercifully.
All of this begs the question. The only important issue in the Mapes story was the forged documents, a fact the Ms Mapes cannot escape no matter how she portrays the Bloggers that discovered the forgeries.
133 posted on 11/10/2005 6:30:01 AM PST by photodawg
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The funny part is that this old hag will spend the rest of her miserable life wallowing in bitterness. Everytime FReepers think about it, we smile.


135 posted on 11/10/2005 6:31:31 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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Not surprisingly, they all agreed with him, they all agreed with one another, and they all agreed this should be pursued aggressively.

And they were right. The document that was the linchpin of her theory was impossible for it to be what Mary Mapes claimed.

Of course, there was another much bigger, much better sourced scandal she could have covered. You know, the one in which a presidential candidate confessed to actual war crimes while lying about war crimes committed by others

For some reason she chose not to. Oh well.

136 posted on 11/10/2005 6:31:38 AM PST by Tribune7
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I think Mary Mapes is great! Neato! Nifty!



(see, we don't all think alike. Nee!)


141 posted on 11/10/2005 6:33:30 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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Ms. Mapes' comments are utter ridiculous

Everyone knows the memos CBS News showed as evidence are complete fakes (it doesn't match ANYTHING we know about how military memos were done at the time), and her comments are essentially major sour grapes.

143 posted on 11/10/2005 6:35:52 AM PST by RayChuang88
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Presumeably, if a reporter said that 2+3 = 6, FReepers would all agree that the reporter was wrong. Would that make us not Free Thinkers?

Similarly, it didn't take a genius to realize that Buckhead was on to something. (And, while I knew nothing about typewriters, it wasn't that hard to tell that the document looked like it came from MS Word).

145 posted on 11/10/2005 6:36:40 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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" Not surprisingly, they all agreed with him, they all agreed with one another, and they all agreed this should be pursued aggressively. Freethinkers they are not. The Freepers and their lockstep like-minded fellow travelers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim. CBS was like some sunburned, overweight Florida tourist with a cut foot, floundering and flapping..."

I guess now you bastards know what it feels like to be on the other side. Do you like it?
149 posted on 11/10/2005 6:39:16 AM PST by bilhosty
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Within minutes of Buckhead's original posting, Freepers began to repeat and embellish Buckhead's thoughts.

GO PAJAMA BRIGADE!!!!!!!!


150 posted on 11/10/2005 6:40:44 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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Hey mapes, are you telling me there's not some sicko liberal group-think going on at CBS? Come on, no one's that brain-dead? And if you think there are conservatives working at CBS in the "news" department, please list their names some place. How dare you accuse us of groupthink? What an idiot.

Freepers often see the glee the 60 Minutes crew has on their wrinkled little faces when they take someone down. And strangely, for reasons unknown, they never "take down" a liberal. Ever wonder about that? My guess is "no". You don't seem like a person who wonders about much, but you do seem mean. You wanted to lie about a duly elected President of the United States because you hated him. Not because you had a hard truth on him. Not for any reason other than hate. You wanted to trump the right of the people to a fair vote. You wanted to run your hit piece so there wouldn't be time for an answer. You're such a jerk.

Here's something else for you to think about Mapes, back when Bush was young, democrats ran Texas, and BushSr., had as much pull in that state as you have with Freepers. None. Nada. Zip.

Your hate even overwhelmed what little logic is required to do the entertainment type show you worked for... You hate us. And you accuse us of not liking you? Well, you're right about one thing. This Freeper doesn't like you.

154 posted on 11/10/2005 6:46:42 AM PST by GOPJ (Frenchmen should ask immigrants "Do you want to be Frenchmen?"- Not "Will you clean toilets cheap?")
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