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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

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To: blue-duncan
"...are ruthless self monopolists right out of the Ayn Rand school of the strong individualist survives because there is nothing greater than themselves or a transcendant being they must one day answer to."

That's a complete distortion of what Rand said. Rand stood for individual rights, not the rule of strength. Your inclusion of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Gates and Ford with Stalin and Pol Pot is very revealing of your disgust for, and complete ignorance of, capitalism.
461 posted on 11/10/2005 7:50:12 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: P-Marlowe

There seems to be a common theme here.

Should I quote the same translations about slavery?

If you think the 6 day creation translations are literal and correct and consistent, then you must think the slavery translations are literal and correct and consistent and that slavery is OK with God. Do you think slavery is OK with God?

462 posted on 11/10/2005 7:51:56 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: AndrewC

We outgrew our old facility/church building (also in bad repair), and have been amidst a building program that's been really intense the last 3 months and has about 3 more to go.


463 posted on 11/10/2005 7:53:45 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: PokeyJoe
That Big-Ol' Church in Houston with the young wippersnapper preacher doesn't make a profit? Hell ya - I can do that.

You have then, I assume, a copy of that church’s operating budget? You know, rounded off to the nearest dollar, the details of the church’s expense line items: their utilities cost, security, maintenance, snow removal (in Houston snow removal probably does not have its own exclusive line like it might in Wynot), office supplies, etc, etc, etc? Their capital sinking fund? Their employee costs? The nature and extent of the cost of the church’s charitable and missionary activities?

By the way, what is the denomination of that church? That would need to be known to understand how the church is governed. If you believe that “young wippersnapper” [sic] is receiving a tax-free salary from the church, please explain exactly how that works. Does he just distribute it to himself? Did he likewise just appoint himself CEO, or did a governing board make those decisions? Are there others who are the grateful recipients of a tax-free earnings distribution? Can you name them? Can you explain why other givers to the church silently suffer such an obvious inequality, or maybe you can report ominous rumblings of discontent?

And, if you “can do that” (create such an amazing church), why don’t you? Can you describe how that church originally came to be, how it grew to its present remarkable seize, and how it came to occupy its present location at The Summit in Greenway Plaza? Or are you just taking cheap shots at a high silhouette target?

464 posted on 11/10/2005 7:53:53 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Junior

"The normal stuff: don't yell at the other drivers, don't piss off your wife -- and my all-time favorite: "What did you expect? You brought that on yourself."

Amazing, He told me the same thing this morning. I didn't get the same impression about His ethnicity though.


465 posted on 11/10/2005 7:55:19 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: ml1954
Should I quote the same translations about slavery?

Knock yourself out.

466 posted on 11/10/2005 8:01:57 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: xzins

Great on the growth! God bless you.


467 posted on 11/10/2005 8:02:20 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: P-Marlowe

Knock yourself out.

If you think the 6 day creation translations are literal and correct and consistent, then you must think the slavery translations are literal and correct and consistent and that slavery is OK with God. Do you think slavery is OK with God?

468 posted on 11/10/2005 8:03:48 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: AndrewC

Thank you, and we appreciate all prayer on our behalf.


469 posted on 11/10/2005 8:04:51 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Thank you, and we appreciate all prayer on our behalf.

Done and continued.

470 posted on 11/10/2005 8:11:29 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: ml1954; xzins
Do you think slavery is OK with God?

I don't see that he ever prohibited it. He did set up rules for the proper treatment of slaves. God sent the Nation of Israel into slavery on several occasions. God obviously approved of the Hebrews being enslaved since he arranged for it to take place.

What is this thing you have about slavery? I suspect that all of us are descended from slaves. God allowed it to take place throughout history. We live in a blessed time where slavery is the exception rather than the rule. But even where it was the rule, God was still on the throne.

471 posted on 11/10/2005 8:27:28 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

The creationists reveal ignorances in other than biology.


472 posted on 11/10/2005 8:29:44 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"complete distortion of what Rand said. Rand stood for individual rights"

Individual rights are promoted, exercised and protected from a position of strength, not cooperation or weakness. If you read Rand that comes out loud and clear. As for capitalism, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford and Gates have nothing to do with it. Their empires were built on ruthless monopolistic tactics. They drove competitors out of the market place by buying them out, unfair trade tactics, copyright and trademark laws, endless expensive lawsuits or financial intimidation. Lives were ruined and businesses destroyed in their lust for power. They were no different in their tactics than Stalin and Pol Pot except the latter killed with violence rather than with banks and lawyers. But they had the same thing in common; the lust for selfish power over people, whether in the market place or in politics.
473 posted on 11/10/2005 8:30:32 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: ml1954

There are even more not against slavery. Seems to be getting popular on FR among the creationists.


474 posted on 11/10/2005 8:31:27 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; ml1954
There are even more not against slavery. Seems to be getting popular on FR among the creationists.

Did anyone here say they favor slavery? The question was whether or not God "approved" of slavery. Since God made provision for the treatment of slaves, it is clear that he did not prohibit it. Nor did he require it.

I expected better arguments from you, Doc. Jumping on the "creationists love slavery" bandwagon is evidence of a vacuous position.

475 posted on 11/10/2005 8:39:03 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Doctor Stochastic; blue-duncan
The creationists reveal ignorances in other than biology.

BD, it seems that comment was directed at you.

476 posted on 11/10/2005 8:48:37 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Your inclusion of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Gates and Ford with Stalin and Pol Pot is very revealing of your disgust for, and complete ignorance of, capitalism.

I'm thinking that the sentiment is in regards to the liberal foundations started by these men.

Armand Hammer was an industrialist. Was he a capitalist?

477 posted on 11/10/2005 8:54:36 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Junior
Naw. I've got a decent paying job as it is.

Wow! That much? Hope you’re paying all your taxes. But, by all means, use every legal tax-dodge you can, just like I’m sure Jimmy did. It was Justice Hughes (I think him) who observed in a majority legal opinion that every taxpayer is obliged to pay only the minimum tax legally calculated, and not obliged to pay such a sum as might be calculated to maximize tax liability.

Since you’ve seen fit to specifically mention Jimmy Swaggart, may it be assumed you have documents detailing Mr. Swaggart’s income for various reporting years, and disclosing the amount of taxes paid? It’s estimated that Mr. Swaggart’s ministry earned $150mil annually during his peak years. Is that about right? How much taxes did he pay? How much did he illegally avoid? C’mon, you can tell us.

478 posted on 11/10/2005 9:12:48 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: PatrickHenry

Oh Patrick, you Mouth of Darwin Central - I didn't think you had it in you.

Opens up whole new vistas.


479 posted on 11/10/2005 9:23:10 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: xzins
If there is no God, then there is no morality.

Ever wonder why atheistic socialism had no problem murdering millions?

What does that have to do with science? Science doesn't care if you don't like the implications you see in its facts - science isn't outcome-based like PC creationism.

480 posted on 11/10/2005 9:24:47 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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