Posted on 11/09/2005 7:48:11 PM PST by Wiz
"Good news!"
Like the sound of D Day.
"I have to say that the Chinese in Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand do so well because they work hard and focus on business."
The Jews of Asia.
"I have to say that the Chinese in Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand do so well because they work hard and focus on business."
The Jews of Asia
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They are quite similar. They work hard, do well for themselves and therefore lots of poeple hate them.
God speed!
It's good that people are finally getting fed up, but there is an inevitability to the conflict that cannot be ignored. One purpose of creating so much terror is to raise up hatred and fear among the infidel against all Muslims. When we go on the attack, many more Muslims who have been holding back will suddenly feel that their religion is under attack, and will feel justified in joining the "worldwide jihad".
I fear everything up to now has been prologue, and the worst is yet to come. The armies are marching out to the field, and the real battle will be a truly terrible one, worldwide.
That said, may God favor us, and may we be resolute in our struggle against a truly dark and evil force.
Well, yes and no. Chinese had very strong influence in Thailand, and the states which are now known as Thailand, up until the mid 1800s when China lost the Opium War. Thailand realized the balance of power in Asia was changing and at that point started to break ties with China and develop stronger ties with the British, Dutch, and others. Without looking it up, I believe that this was under the reign of King Rama IV.
Chinese once again started to have influence in the 1970s with the closing of the US involvement in the Vietnam War. Of course, Toxin has taken this to a new level.
If you come to Thailand, don't say that to an ethnic Thai because you will probably get into a fight. The cultures are still quite different.
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There have been other Chinese arrive in the area in the last 600 years.
All Chinese are not alike!
The history of the Chinese people is exceedingly complex.
One of his more recent ancestors of world renown was King Rama.
They still know their people came from China. Americans generally know something of their ancestry as well.
Islam had bloody borders.
Where have we heard this before? I guess the Buddhists must have done something to anger the peace-loving Mohammedans.
I'll be doing exactly that in April.
Got to the point I have to use 3 weeks annual or the USPS will steal it.
The plan is a couple days in BKK, a week in Nong Bua Lamphu, a week at Koh Chang, and the last week going where ever.
I might visit Ban Chiang again.
It depends on your definition of Chinese. Do you mean Chinese as in a race, culture, or nationality? The three have very different connotations. From a race perspective, I would define Chinese as Han. The Thais are most definitely not of that race. Culturally? Thai culture is quite different than Chinese culture. I have lived in both and speak from experience on that one. As far as nationality goes, they are quite obviously different countries.
There are traces of civilization in the Thailand area going back 180,000 years with the major increases in population starting around 2500BC. The Tai language group did originate in the southern China area, south of the Yangzi, but this was long before the Han arrived in the area around 600BC.
Saying that since the language originated in an area now part of China that the people and culture is Chinese is a major stretch. Culturally, Chinese like to paint everything with a very broad brush which trys to include anything remotely related as 'Chinese'. The reality is much different.
As for the origins of the Thai people:
The origin of Thai people has been a problematic subject among the academics as there are several theories given about Thai origin. Most widely accepted theory is that Tai people migrated south from the southern China due to the Mongol invasion in the 12th century in to the mainland Southeast Asia. However, recent studies based on archeological finds in Ban Chiang, Thailand argue that at least about 4,000 years ago, there already had been Thais living in this region and that they had developed their own culture. Until today, conclusion about the Thai origin is still unreachable.
Mostly Western researchers have long theorized that the Thai language belongs to what is known as the Sino-Thai family of languages. The theory was based on similarities between Chinese and Thai, such as tones, monosyllabic words and short duration vowels. But recent Chinese research, and independent Vietnamese research, concludes that Thai language is separate from Chinese. The Chinese research was on the people along the Yang Tze River in South China who speak Thai. Thai is also spoken by people of the Long Son (Austro-Thai) cultures of Northern Thailand, Laos, Burma , and Vietnam. The Long Son people date back to pre-history in southern China, then spread out over Southeast Asia. Evidence suggests these people were driven South to escape Chinese domination. It is believed that Bahamas Malay (Malaysia/Indonesia) was influenced by the Thai language. A Vietnamese linguistic scholar, Nguyen Chi Thong, says there is evidence that language as far away as Papua New Guinea are connected to the Thai language. He also said that there are communities in central Vietnam who actually speak Thai rather than Vietnamese.
Not pure, but there are distinct groups within Thai society. Nobody is going to mistake a Chinese storeowner from Yawarat with someone from Ubon. Same with someone from Yala and Chiang Mai.
I agree with your points on the troubles in Thailand... I just wish they were really that simple. :)
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