Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Yes, to my knowledge all the incidents post 9/11, with the exception of the attack at El Al in Los Angeles which the FBI says wasn't terror related, were carried out by converts to Islam. You're going to have to amend the Constitiution to strip them of their citizenship. Then there's nowhere to deport them. So we'll just have to jail them indefinately.
If you're talking about Muslims who've commited crimes, we can jail them without stripping them of their citizenship. We throw American's in jail all the time.
If you're talking about simply stripping American Muslims of their citizenship and throwing them into detention centers, I certainly won't support that. Very few Americans will.
Ahhhh, it took till post 15, but thank you.
The American Citizenship Law
Article I
1. A subject of the State is a person who belongs to the protective union of the states of the United States of America (USA), and who therefore has particular obligations towards the USA.
2. The status of subject is acquired in accordance with the provisions of the USA and State Law of Citizenship.
Article 2 1. A citizen of the USA is that subject only who is of American or kindred blood and who, through his conduct, shows that he is both desirous and fit to serve the American people and the USA faithfully.
2. The right to citizenship is acquired by the granting of USA citizenship papers.
3. Only the citizen of the USA enjoys full political rights in accordance with the provision of the laws.
Article 3
The Secretary of Homeland Security in conjunction with the Deputy Attorney General will issue the necessary legal and administrative decrees for carrying out and supplementing this law.
Huh? Charlemagne lived in the eighth/ninth centuries, not the 13th.
>> I see no good whatsoever in the spread of Islam to the West. Only trouble. <<
That's my read on it as well.
You're absolutely right. It's ironic, but I can think of some prominent "right wingers", in the sense that the NDP or National Front are "right wing", who go absolutely nuts when America revokes the citizenship of former camp guards for fraud in naturalization.
Until you all in this forum realize that Islam is at war with the West and the Dar Al-Harb, you will continue to spout off about the rights of all those individual innocent Muslims that might not fully agree with the culural institution of jihad.
You will view the actions of those that commit jihad (rioting, etc.) as individual acts committed by individuals not supported by any others that only the police should treat as a police action. We tried that in Vietnam and look how insanely we conducted that police action that cost the lives of 58,000 good Americans.
In times of war you look at the group/religion/culture that is at war with you as a group, not as individuals as you all are doing. Islam is at war with us, the West, and the Dar Al-Harb and they collectively see us as the enemey who all are bad and require conversion or death end of story. Saudi Arabia controlls 80% of the mosques in America. The only version of Islam they espouse is Wahhabism which is simply orthodox Islam. The current 22 conflicts that Muslims are engaged in are supported quietly by Saudi Arabia, Saudi citizens (who are Muslims), Muslims in other countries including America. They do not view themselves as individuals, only as Muslims. They have their brotherhood in that and will wage jihad as one collective brotherhood of Islam no matter if they are Sunni, Shia, Sufi, or any other branch of Islam.
Until you get that through your thick skulls you will continue to scream indivudual rights and to treat their actions with a police response, not a war response. If our government continues to see Islam as a RoP then we are doomed. We will become a Muslim country and revert back to the dark ages.
When Muslims explode a nuke in this country or in Israel or even Europe will you think the same????? The Commie Russians and Chinese are supporting Iran et al in this endeavour.
I'm finished arguing with you idiots.
FC
John Walker Lindh. John Allan Muhammed. Jose Padilla. All native-born Americans.
And go to any anti-war rally where the majority of the people screaming "death to America" are Anglo kids.
I'm afraid that view is Pollyannish when dealing with jihadists. They must be treated differently or we will end up like France. Send them back to Krapistan. They have no more right to be here than I have to be in an Arab country.
American citizens are all equal under the law, whether native-born or naturalized. And that should remain the case.
I'm quite aware of this fact. What's your point?
The reason why the Christians lost so much ground during the 7th -13th centuries because they treated like you do.
The reason that the Christians lost so much ground is that they were more concerned about fighting among themselves than fighting their external enemies.
The pharmacy called, your meds are ready...
Until you all in this forum realize that Islam is at war with the West and the Dar Al-Harb, you will continue to spout off about the rights of all those individual innocent Muslims that might not fully agree with the culural institution of jihad….In times of war you look at the group/religion/culture that is at war with you as a group, not as individuals as you all are doing…. I'm finished arguing with you idiots.
I guess.
Maybe we should just kill all the Muslims in the US, it’s going to cost a fortune to detain them forever.
The place to deport them to is Jihad Central - Saudi Arabia.
Yes, the El Al terrorist battle/incident was not a convert. But he was a Muslim and so were the converts. They are brothers in Islam and they view themselves that way.
You keep insisting that these were criminal actions that required police responses. I am sorry but they weren't. They were other shots in the war of Islam against us. Until you learn that Islam is at war and will treat it as thus you will live in your own Pollyanish, naive, delude world.
If America is to survive it is important to now deport ALL Muslims, converts included, because Islam is at war with us. I would find it prudent to make it conditional that they not be allowed into this country until they can prove they are not at war with us, the West, or any of the Dar Al-Harb. That means those 23 conflicts they are engaged in around need to stopped immediately. Until then, not one of them steps foot on our soil.
Then it would be time to officially declare war on Islam. First target Mecca and Medina. Any country that supports the Muslims will automatically be out on our enemy list.
Until this happens you will continue to see the War of Islam on the Dar Al-Harb until it wins. With the current support of Islam by our government and the other Lefty governments around the world we have absolutely no prayer of winning.
So start praying for a miracle. It's us against the criminals, the Lefties, and the Muslims.
FC
I will keep screaming "individual rights" until President Hillary (or whoever) has me arrested as an enemy of the state. I think the Founding Fathers would agree with me, rather than with you.
The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of con-science and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
George Washington’s Letter to The Touro Synagogue
When Muslims explode a nuke in this country or in Israel or even Europe will you think the same
Will I still only want to punish the guilty? Absolutely. If something like that were to happen, I would not feel any better if innocent Muslims were rounded up and punished for the actions of others.
I'm finished arguing with you idiots.
Ah, the ad hominem attack. It's usually the sure sign of a lost argument.
The Leftist citizens, the Muslim citizens, and the criminal citizens are all working to destroy our country. Nope, don't see any war here! Here no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
FC
I didn't say that you idiot. I said, export them. Send them back to Jihad Central. You love the Jihadist and want to see this country destroyed. Your lack of argument shows this with statements like "kill all the Muslims."
FC
"John Walker Lindh. John Allan Muhammed. Jose Padilla. All native-born Americans."
You bet. And my understanding is that those rioting and rampaging in France are second generation Frenchies. Obviously, there are groups that don't assimilate. Their citizenship should be removed and they should be shipped back to the land of their birth if not born in the U.S. or to the land of their parents if born here, where they can enjoy the company of their fellow Islamists.
"American citizens are all equal under the law, whether native-born or naturalized. And that should remain the case."
Until they act like the vermin rioting in France, or the Koranic cutthroats here and elsewhere who ferment hate and rebellion. Their butts should be kicked out of the country pronto. I'm much more concerned about the safety, security, and continuting stability of this republic than I am of the sensitivities of 8th century Mohammedans who want to destroy our way of life.
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