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Federal lawsuit could follow board vote [Evolution in Kansas & Dover]
Lawrence Journal-World [Kansas] ^ | 08 November 2005 | Joel Mathis

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:17:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

Patrick Henry, please add me to the Crevo ping list.


261 posted on 11/08/2005 4:50:56 PM PST by Deadshot Drifter
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To: PatrickHenry

The lights may be going out.

but...
One gutsy teacher I saw on a newscast (sorry, channel surfing so I'm not sure of where) said she'd use ID to show what's wrong with non-science. Hope she keeps her job.


262 posted on 11/08/2005 4:51:44 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: PatrickHenry

Dorothy was wrong. Kansas is Oz.


263 posted on 11/08/2005 4:51:50 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: PatrickHenry
Time was only pretending to forget those people, like someone pretending to forget a kitten at a rest stop.
264 posted on 11/08/2005 4:52:25 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
Teach the controversy!

Sure, why not. After all, "the firmament goes a long way towards explaining some of the mysteries of modern science."

265 posted on 11/08/2005 4:54:09 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
I can't tell if Prof. Irwin Corey wrote that stuff or they were just copying him.


266 posted on 11/08/2005 4:58:33 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: js1138

Behe does not say that he accepts universal common descent in that statement.

Furthermore, it seems to me that Behe is arguing that whether one believes in common descent or not, ID is a better explanation for life as it exists today. IOW, even accepting the notion of common descent, ID is still valid.

Were it otherwise, he would be well within the mainstream of Darwinian evolution.

Keep in mind that the main topic of the statement, if it is in answer to a question, is the fossil record and what it means.

I think you may be reading something additional into his statement that isn't there. It may also be possible that I have done the same, even if my comments are my attempt to construe all he has said to be consistent as a whole.


267 posted on 11/08/2005 5:06:03 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Thatcherite
Evidently not very carefully, if it comes as a shock to you that Behe endorses an old earth and universal common descent. And your memory seems to be going too, as I have cited the appropriate sentences in DBB to you before.

I would be very interested in a citation where Behe endorses 'universal common descent'. I don't think he has.

I believe he has stated words to the effect that ID does not require one to take a position on 'common descent', which is quite different from 'universal common descent'. I think pretty much the same could be said about the age of the Earth.

I also recall reading somewhere that Behe believes that the 'intelligent designer' is God.

268 posted on 11/08/2005 5:13:29 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Thatcherite
And your memory seems to be going too, as I have cited the appropriate sentences in DBB to you before.

In that cae, you should have little trouble in citing the page numbers.

269 posted on 11/08/2005 5:15:33 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro

They filed Last Thursday, but made it look like Next Thursday.


270 posted on 11/08/2005 5:19:18 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; VadeRetro

I think I'm gonna have to start a new thread for this.


271 posted on 11/08/2005 5:28:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: PatrickHenry
Maybe not. This thread seems appropriate. Here's another article:
Kansas school board approves science standards casting doubt on evolution.
272 posted on 11/08/2005 5:30:38 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: connectthedots
Behe does not say that he accepts universal common descent in that statement.

Since I've given you three opportunities to distinguish the various gradation of common descent, I'm going to have to assume you made it up. Behe didn't see ant reason to hedge, nor does Denton.

273 posted on 11/08/2005 5:35:48 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ml1954

If you understood the Lemon test, you would likely think it to be quite silly.


274 posted on 11/08/2005 5:37:05 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: PatrickHenry

Or http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1518364/posts


275 posted on 11/08/2005 5:37:15 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: editor-surveyor
...and no evidence ever found has in any way undermined special creation. ...

Exactly. Could you please give an example of evidence, which, if found, would falsify creationism.

For example, a rabbit's fossil found in Cambrian rock, or a mutation that was common to gorillas and chimps but not people, would tend to undermine standard biology.

But I can't think of anything that would undermine creationism; can you?

If, in fact, there is nothing that could undermine it, then it's a vacuous "theory".

276 posted on 11/08/2005 5:37:39 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: js1138

Try googling 'common descent' and 'universal common descent'. You get quite a few hits. There is a significant difference in the two.


277 posted on 11/08/2005 5:38:42 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots

If you understood the Lemon test, you would likely think it to be quite silly.

Your assumption of my ignorance is noted.

278 posted on 11/08/2005 5:40:01 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: js1138

Try googling 'common descent' and 'universal common descent'. You get quite a few hits. There is a significant difference in the two.


279 posted on 11/08/2005 5:40:23 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: dread78645
Wow...skepticism, sarcasm and refutation. Sounds like SCIENCE used to be, rather than simply the defense of the status quo without regard for any other theories.

Actually, I was bored this morning as I typed my first response, but I'm more amused now.

I believe in intelligent design, and I believe in God. One of us will be right some day. If it's you, nothing happens. If it's me, you're all f--ked, which is what is making me laugh right now.

280 posted on 11/08/2005 5:47:09 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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