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Federal lawsuit could follow board vote [Evolution in Kansas & Dover]
Lawrence Journal-World [Kansas] ^
| 08 November 2005
| Joel Mathis
Posted on 11/08/2005 4:17:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Snowbelt Man
"study the woodpecker alone. no other animal like it. it didn't evolve. it was created. Argument from incredulity.
Many have studied the woodpecker, including its tongue, and come to a different and highly educated conclusion.
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:16:37 AM PST
by
b_sharp
(Please visit, read, and understand PatrickHenry's List-O-Links.)
To: Snowbelt Man
Snowbelt Man,
when does this galoot ever make any assertion about anything? Nil to never.
Wolf
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:21:14 AM PST
by
RunningWolf
(tag line limbo)
To: Snowbelt Man
"most people don't even know the basic assumptions made in using carbon dating to evaluate how old things are This sounds like a typical Hovindite manipulation of information. What the creationist sites you visit do not tell you can be more important than what they do tell you. In the case of Carbon 14 dating they forget to mention all the calibration techniques and precautions against contamination used. There is a reason they stick to 30 second sound bites. There is a reason they don't tell you everything.
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:21:35 AM PST
by
b_sharp
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To: anthraciterabbit
What I CAN'T understand is anybody who'd call himself a republican or a conservative believing in such a thing. Being a republican or a conservative is not synonymous with being ignorant in spite of the efforts of the demented left to project that illusion.
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:28:12 AM PST
by
shuckmaster
(Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
To: ModernDayCato
He said that the odds of that organism evolving randomly were calculated to be 10 to the fifty thousandth power That's about the same odds as a shuffled deck of cards coming up in their resulting order but, you can shuffle a deck of cards all day long. Me thinks you put too much belief in a radio talk show host.
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:31:21 AM PST
by
shuckmaster
(Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
To: b_sharp; Ichneumon; VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; js1138; Gumlegs; CarolinaGuitarman; Junior; ...
"Mechanics of ATP Synthase.
Wolfgang Junge, D. Cherepanov; O. Panke; K. Gumbiowsky; M. Muller; S. Engelbrecht
Departement of Biophysics, University of Osnabrück, Barbarastr.11, 49076 Osnabrück, Germany
ATP synthase functions as two rotary motor/generators coupled together by a central shaft and an eccentric bearing. Symmetry mismatch between the protonmotive drive, FO, and the nucleotide processing device, F1, call for a soft elastic power transmission. Its existence is demonstrated by micro-videography of rotation and its functional benefits are theoretically scrutinised.
Keywords:
ATPase; motor protein; nanomechanics; viscoelasticity; proton"
from:
http://bio.web.psi.ch/MV2001/abstracts.html
Micro-videography of rotation? - wow! Pure speculation, but does this sound like an evolutionary prototype for the flagellum?
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:32:11 AM PST
by
furball4paws
(One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
To: anthraciterabbit
Or maybe nobody ever taught you that "I don't know" is a valid answer to most questions...
You're right. No one knows anything about anything. The scientific method is useless. The existence of computers and human-engineered trans-continental flight evidence nothing of human knowledge. The universe is fundamentally not rational and we can discern nothing of its character. "I don't know" is the only answer I give to any question!
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:34:35 AM PST
by
aNYCguy
To: b_sharp
Where I live, in the Canuck Bible belt, it is flatter than even Kansas. Aggghhh!!! Must you guys mimick all our worst habits!? ;)
108
posted on
11/08/2005 9:39:14 AM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: furball4paws
"Micro-videography of rotation? - wow! Pure speculation, but does this sound like an evolutionary prototype for the flagellum? Geeze, I wonder? LOL
Even molecules enjoy the dance and occasionally spin.
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:40:40 AM PST
by
b_sharp
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To: Snowbelt Man
it takes alot more faith to believe in evolution than creation.Your saying that does not make it so.
Quite the contrary, actually. Evolution has centuries of testing and confirmation behind it. You may choose to ignore the evidence, but to deny it is a lie.
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posted on
11/08/2005 9:55:02 AM PST
by
highball
("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
To: furball4paws
Pure speculation, but does this sound like an evolutionary prototype for the flagellum? An idea how many decades old? Interesting to speculate on something almost accepted for many years all ready.
Recent article from Japan: Direct observation of steps in rotation of the bacterial flagellar motor, Nature 437, 916-919 (6 October 2005)
Has movie in supplementary info page.
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:03:13 AM PST
by
tallhappy
(Juntos Podemos!)
To: tallhappy; furball4paws
Interesting to speculate on something almost accepted for many years all ready.Then how can Behe and Minnich claim that the flagellum is irreducibly complex, when not only does it work in the absence of some components, but there are sequence and mechanistic homologies to a near-ubiquitous protein system that operates by a rotary coupling mechanism?
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:09:30 AM PST
by
Right Wing Professor
(If you love peace, prepare for war. If you hate violence, own a gun.)
To: Right Wing Professor
"IC is whatever we want it to be."
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:14:16 AM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Right Wing Professor
Why do you care what Behe and Minnich say?
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:16:00 AM PST
by
tallhappy
(Juntos Podemos!)
To: tallhappy
Why do you care what Behe and Minnich say? You have to know that by now. Why this disingenuous rhetorical stupidity?
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:19:02 AM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: VadeRetro
Disingenuous rhetorical stupidity is all they have left.
They have no facts, no evidence, nothing. The school board in the Dover case got caught lying, and since creationists have almost to a man refused to condemn them for doing so, we have learned that lying is okay to them....
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:21:37 AM PST
by
highball
("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
To: highball
To be absolutely fair, not all of it is rhetorical or even disingenuous. But too much is.
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:23:27 AM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Nextrush
What?!? No Black Sabbath?
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:25:30 AM PST
by
dmz
To: highball
Lying for the cause is another thing creationists have in common with the left.
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:26:11 AM PST
by
Junior
(From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
To: VadeRetro; highball
You two fellows are so far out of touch with any sense of reality it is astonishing.
Your zeal blinds you.
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posted on
11/08/2005 10:26:27 AM PST
by
tallhappy
(Juntos Podemos!)
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