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Chirac vows order as French riots spread
Reuters ^ | November 6, 2005 | Elizabeth Pineau and Sophie Louet

Posted on 11/06/2005 1:21:11 PM PST by JustaCowgirl

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To: JustaCowgirl

"The riots were a failure of government policy and leadership."What a bunch of losers.


221 posted on 11/06/2005 6:22:03 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: Amerigomag

'A parallel course in the US is the tolerance of "mutilingual" ballots and the promotion of school vouchers.'

Thanks for writing. I agree there are parallels in the US, but I don't think either multilingual ballots or school vouchers are parallels. I see where you're going with this, and they would lead to self-apartheid, if we allowed the kids to not learn English, and not learn our mores, history, etc. Come to think on it, the NEA is not our friend in this regard. I know, I know- you're shocked, SHOCKED I should say such a thing. And Ebonics- what a dumb idea that was.


222 posted on 11/06/2005 6:26:15 PM PST by Anselma
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To: lafroste; MadIvan; 10mm
Hi Mad, something I've always wondered: why is it called a minigun. It looks like a major gun to me. Just curious

Compared to your rifle, it's major. Compared to a full-size M61 Vulcan 20mm machine-cannon, it's mini:


223 posted on 11/06/2005 6:33:16 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: Fudd Fan
You're right, it would be Dearborn

A little too close to home for me.  Although, to get to my area they'd have to go thru Detroit.  Good luck with that.

224 posted on 11/06/2005 6:35:16 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
If possible a head has a devastating psychological effect on the others. At distances of 200 to 300 yards this would not be difficult at all with the right rifle.

A high-velocity .300 win-mag round would have a very dramatic effect in a head shot

225 posted on 11/06/2005 6:35:59 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: ohioWfan
At least at this point they are ordering people off the vehicles before they're torched.

I pray that it doesn't escalate beyond that....

True enough, ohio. You have to wonder how soon before just torching vehicles really becomes the same old same old for the rioters and they have to escalate it.

226 posted on 11/06/2005 6:43:50 PM PST by JustaCowgirl (Father, we pray that lies will destroy the liars and the truth will lift up the truthful.)
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To: Netheron
Just shut up and do it. Why waste time holding press conferences?

Because 1) Chirac likes to call attention to himself and 2) Chirac doesn't have a clue how to stop all this.
227 posted on 11/06/2005 6:59:34 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: ohioWfan
I appreciate that many politcal partisan were attracked to this forum after their party's success in 1999 and again in 2003.

What I find hard to understand is why many of these partisan stayed and now attack conservatives on a conservative forum.

I'd think that Republican loyalists would be more comfortable on a Republican forum where their views would be welcomed and encouraged.

228 posted on 11/06/2005 7:27:03 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: USS Alaska

The French even paid off the Vikings because they didn't want to fight them.....

Why they even have a military is a good question. What will they do, bomb their enemies with white flags?


229 posted on 11/06/2005 7:37:37 PM PST by Loud Mime (Bad Lawmakers = Bad Law = Infinite Lawyers)
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To: Farmer Dean

The nice people in France are very nice indeed...


230 posted on 11/06/2005 7:48:00 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: strategofr

It's a large problem. I'm not confident the French will know what should be done or have the guts to do it.

These riots will likely (seem to) pass. But I believe there will be a great jihadi earthquake brewing under the apparent quiet.

If the OBLs of the world do move in, and do effectively make a large segment of the French Muslim population at their disposal for terror operations:

(1) The French can't solve that militarily without either declaring a police state or broaching a civil war.

(2) Socialism IS despair and slavery, so they can't solve the problem economically by offering opportunity.

(3) Their idea of country does not include ethnic diversity, so they can't solve it by appealing to an ideal similar to the American ideal of the "melting pot."

As I said, the outlook would be bleak.

Of course, eventually Europe would get around to asking us to help out and we would, because, ultimately, it's in our own best interest not to have a militant Eurabia or an European conflagation of civil war.


231 posted on 11/06/2005 7:52:55 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent

"Of course, eventually Europe would get around to asking us to help out and we would, because, ultimately, it's in our own best interest not to have a militant Eurabia or an European conflagation of civil war."

We'd be willing to help, but I'm not sure we could much. It's not like the French army could not defeat these people in a pitched battle.


232 posted on 11/06/2005 7:58:18 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: born in the Bronx

I agree that Chiraq had a personal affinity for and relationship with Saddam. However, what brought them together was the power and greed.

To the extent that the French are armed, great. But somehow I don't see them viewing it as their patriotic duty to defend their homeland. Hope I'm wrong. (As Patton said, "let the other bastard die for his country!")

To the fact that France is at least 80% non-Muslim, I would only state that 20% is a large number. Even if only 10% of the Muslim population became radicalized, and only a fraction of those actually joined with "foreign fighters" to become jihadists, it won't be pretty.

Also, I think it's important to remember that France is in Europe and several European countries have significant Muslim populations. IOW, the "spark" problem is always present, too.


233 posted on 11/06/2005 8:00:41 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: born in the Bronx
Chirac's approval numbers have been as low as 28% this year

But Chiraq is still waaaaaay more popular with the American LSM than Bush!

234 posted on 11/06/2005 8:01:59 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: strategofr

My watch stopped ticking...


235 posted on 11/06/2005 8:02:06 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Practical suggestion.


236 posted on 11/06/2005 8:02:58 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: born in the Bronx

When I was living in Germany years ago, it was illegal to have an ice cream stand in the winter, because you "shouldn't."

I used to go to a pool that closed at 7:30. One time I arrived shortly before 7:00 and tried to pay my money and go in. No, it wasn't allowed. The pool was closing in 30 minutes.

I explained that I knew that, I was going to pay full price, go in, do my laps and be out at 7:30.

No. It was illegal to enter the pool less than one hour before it closed.


237 posted on 11/06/2005 8:05:49 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent

Seems like the real problem is if the rioters cease, they would become French and therefore surrender, while those who are French, will eventually surrender, but in either case, those who refuse to surrender, would not become French and therefore, not be required to surrender.


238 posted on 11/06/2005 8:06:47 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Amerigomag
I've been a conservative for nearly half a century (from the moment I started thinking about politics), so I have no idea why you've posted those comments to me.....

You obviously live in a parallel universe if you look at this great country we live in, blessed by God, leading the world with strength, standing apart, and see it as the same as the spineless, weak, quivering, amoral, racist French.

I can't even get my mind around that kind of distortion of the land I love, mag. Not even close.

239 posted on 11/06/2005 8:11:10 PM PST by ohioWfan (Take comfort, Friend George, God is with thee!)
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To: JustaCowgirl

" just torching vehicles really becomes the same old same old for the rioters and they have to escalate it."

Good point. Kind of a drug analogy.


240 posted on 11/06/2005 8:11:14 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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