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Science as Kansas sees it
Kansas City Star ^ | 11/6/05 | David Klepper

Posted on 11/06/2005 6:26:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur

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To: Stultis

May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage...


61 posted on 11/06/2005 10:38:13 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Quark2005
These gaping holes in gravitational theory show that the premise behind it is wrong. Intelligent pulling is another equally valid premise. Teach the controversy! < /creationist_logic>

Gravitation: a theory in crisis! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

< /Luddite mode>

62 posted on 11/06/2005 10:40:23 AM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm going to take your time machine away! It's not for picking up girls.


63 posted on 11/06/2005 10:48:53 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

Ha! Your so-called Time Theory doesn't have any explanation whatever for picking up girls!


64 posted on 11/06/2005 10:50:22 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: furball4paws
I'm going to take your time machine away! It's not for picking up girls.

According to evolution, everything is about picking up girls.

65 posted on 11/06/2005 10:57:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The crucial, salient sentence in the article was:

The changes also alter the definition of science to allow for non-natural explanations.

In other words, the changes allow for "explanations" for which there is no evidence, can be no evidence and THEREFORE can only be taken on faith.

But ID doesn't have anything to do with Creationism, now does it?

But then again, it doesn't have anything to do with science either.

66 posted on 11/06/2005 11:13:26 AM PST by LogicWings
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
This is a pdf file of the plaintiff's closing argument in the Dover trial. It's 21 pages long (double spaced). I can't figure out how to start a thread with only a pdf file, so I'm posting the link here and pinging the whole evo list. If you've been following the trial, it's worth reading:

Closing argument by Eric Rothschild, Esq.

67 posted on 11/06/2005 12:24:51 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: LogicWings
The changes also alter the definition of science to allow for non-natural explanations.

This is funny. If Goddidit, wouldn't that be completely natural?

68 posted on 11/06/2005 12:29:47 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: PatrickHenry
Good post.

I am about a third of the way through. Nice quote:

Many of the witnesses for the defendants did not tell the truth. They did not tell the truth at their depositions, and they have not told the truth in this courtroom. They are not telling the truth when they assert that only Intelligent Design, and not creationism were discussed at the June 2004 board meetings. They are not telling the truth when they place the "2000 years ago" statement at the meeting discussing the pledge rather than the June 14, 2004 meeting discussing the biology textbook. The did not tell the truth in their depositions, or for that matter to the citizens of Dover, about how the donation of the Pandas books came about. (p. 5)


69 posted on 11/06/2005 12:46:46 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Closing argument by Eric Rothschild, Esq.

Thanks, that was worthwhile ping - good overall summary of the plaintiff's points.

The quote of I'm currently reflecting upon: "He [Behe] acknowledges that the more one believes in God, the more persuasive Intelligent Design is."

I hardly think so. The God that ID proposes is one that made a world created with the appearance of naturalistic evolution, except for a few places here and there where apparently God wasn't smart enough to cover His tracks. Personally, I think this is a pretty demeaning view of God as well as being a deplorable way of doing science.

70 posted on 11/06/2005 12:51:08 PM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ Ah, we haven't had a thread about the idiocy in Kansas for a few weeks. This is good weekend material. ]

Is scientific materialism merely dialectical materialism.. cross dressed in/as another gender.?..

True, the ID'ers are Agnostic Creationists, maybe.. but is Scientific Materialism Atheist Evolutionism couched in great swelling words.. as it seems so to me..
< /honest reply >

71 posted on 11/06/2005 1:07:33 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Speaking of a straw man, please provide an example of someone who was merely questioning the ToE being called a liar.

How do you make a lying troll go away?

72 posted on 11/06/2005 1:23:31 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: RightWhale
This is funny. If Goddidit, wouldn't that be completely natural?

Yes, and therefore utterly undetectable as being from a "non-natural" source as its explanation.

73 posted on 11/06/2005 1:26:50 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: PatrickHenry
If you've been following the trial, it's worth reading:

A crushing condemnation of the fraudulence and arrogance of the Dover Board, as well as the intellectual vacuuity of ID.

Utterly Devastating.

Many quotes I wish I could lift from it to share.... but it's a pdf...

74 posted on 11/06/2005 1:40:01 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

I seem to remember a few threads ago, you had great disdain for sex.

What's changed your mind, hhhmmmmmm?

Has the comely edweena turned your head from the straight and narrow?

Perhaps you should just give me your keys, young man :-)


75 posted on 11/06/2005 1:40:44 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: PatrickHenry
From the Document:

As William Dembski stated in “What Every Theologian Should Know About Creationism, Evolution and Design,” unless the ground rules of science are changed to allow the supernatural, Intelligent Design has “no chance Hades.(sic) In this courtroom, Steve Fuller confirmed that changing the ground rules of science is Intelligent Design’s fundamental project.

Change the rules of science to include that which, by definition, there cannot be any evidence for. In other words, destroy science in favor of religion.

Welcome to the Dark Ages II.

76 posted on 11/06/2005 1:41:14 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: Gumlegs
Actually, it was just weena. I don't know who this Ed is. But in either case PH better watch his step.

A lot of people are upset with his unexcused absences and misuse of power via urinals. A threesome could well get him defrocked.
77 posted on 11/06/2005 1:52:49 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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mPaLrAkCeEr


78 posted on 11/06/2005 1:57:08 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: furball4paws
PH better watch his step.

As long as the Grand Master smiles upon me, my position is secure.

79 posted on 11/06/2005 2:09:22 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: PatrickHenry
What a summation! That one ripped some new excretory orfices.
80 posted on 11/06/2005 2:09:34 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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