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Chechen rebels are beasts, Putin tells Dutch hosts
Expatica ^ | 2 November 2005

Posted on 11/05/2005 2:16:00 AM PST by mym

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To: mym; Yehuda
As far as I know Jewish religious books isn't too tolerant to another nations and religions too.

Yes, I've heard of all those Jewish Jihads all over the world...horrible, horrible things.

As for your wife, two problems:

1. Muslim women are supposed to follow their husbands in religion, which is why muslim women are not allowed to date outside Islam, men are.

2. If you're Christian, you're not Orthodox Christian. Orthodox Christians are allowed to marry ONLY other Christians. Thus if you are married, you're married by the State and as far as the Church is concerned, you are living in sin.

41 posted on 11/07/2005 11:42:48 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Yehuda

To be fair, we arm Pakistan, the KLA, the PLO (we give them money directly and forced the Israelies to walk down the Map of Suicide and arm the PLO), Jordan (according the the Pew Poll the most anti-Jewish nation in the Middle East), Saudi Arabia (Wahhibi central) and Egypt (where people were dancing in the streets on 911). We bombed the Christian Serbs, made the Christian Macedonians give up control over 30% of their nation. Continued to arm Islamic Turkey even as it genocided northern Cyprus which it invaded and the worst of all SAVED THE DAMNED PLO AND YASSER from extermination by the Israeli IDF and the Lebanese Christian Militias...sent the marines to save them at that.


42 posted on 11/07/2005 11:46:21 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: mym
Like nothing wrong with Communism or Nazism - it's just the radical extremeist Communists and Nazis we need to worry about right?
45 posted on 11/08/2005 12:38:12 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Yehuda
I am sorry you are so uninformed: Chavez is Castro's boy (and new bank) and IS THE AVOWED ENEMY OF THE U.S.==

AVOWED ENEMY? New juridical term...

The fact that you don't know only shows your ignorance.==

He is democratically elected president. He neither killed americans nor supported terrorists. I know about his disliking of the USA. But again: it's your problem. You can start sanctions against Venezuela: your right. We can sell weapon: our right.

Venezuela is becoming an Iranian and a socialist satellite, and we will crush Venezuela and those who arm her.==

Go ahead.

THE SAME WAY OR WORSE THAT WE CRUSHED THE USSR.==

You didn't crash USSR, it's mainly Gorby's achievement.

You think we give a sh*t when some ignorant fascist/ communist/sand-nazi scum countries don't like us? SCREW THEM AND SCREW YOU. You all come running when you can't handle the weather or can't grow any wheat.==



Your nuts don't glow in the dark? Be grateful our govt was so full of reds at the end of WW2 we didn't nuke you along with Japan. We should have kicked Russia out of E. Europe and saved hundreds of millions from slavery and starvation and execution under Stalin (and more under Mao).==

Go ahead, I repeat. Start nuclear war. China is still communist. Cuba, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Russia, Uzbekistan. Half of the world as I said earlier.

Clinton was a traitor (and a lover of Communism); he will wind up in the cesspool along with Putin., the chicomms and the korean puke dog Il.==

Don't bother me with this. I don't care who of American presidents is traitor and who isn't. You can personally nuke Clinton following your military minds.
46 posted on 11/08/2005 12:58:51 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: sgtbono2002
"Is he stupid?"

No, he's dangerous.

Putin and his troops have committed more atrocities in Chechnya than the Chechen rebels...and that included the school massacre.

"'But we get can't tolerate that they are attacking the foundations of our democracy"

No one has attacked the Russian democracy more earnestly than ex-KGB boss Putin has.

47 posted on 11/08/2005 1:04:49 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: jb6

Yes, I've heard of all those Jewish Jihads all over the world...horrible, horrible things.==

The main idea is not to take ancient religious books too literally. That's a problem. Many muslims still live in stone age.

1. Muslim women are supposed to follow their husbands in religion, which is why muslim women are not allowed to date outside Islam, men are.==

Don't you think that my wife wearing paranja etc? She is a normal modern woman, doctor, writes her MD dissertation.

That's what I'm trying to say. Islam is a dangerous religion. But it's not proper to cry "kill them all" since many muslims are pacific mundane people who hate radicals and terrorists.

2. If you're Christian, you're not Orthodox Christian. Orthodox Christians are allowed to marry ONLY other Christians. Thus if you are married, you're married by the State and as far as the Church is concerned, you are living in sin.==

This don't bothers me. I'm a mundane man (as a majority of Russians).


48 posted on 11/08/2005 1:29:12 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Yeah, another expert of Chechen terrorism and Russian democracy. Thank you for your wisest and unique post.


49 posted on 11/08/2005 1:50:39 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: jb6

You need to read up on the growing Tartar radicalism and the spread of Wahhibism in Tartarstan and among the Tartar in Crim.==

Very very few of Tartars are radical. But the problem exists.
Radical muslim preacher use bad economical situation and an absence of national idea in Russia to inspire their false jihadist ideas in young brains.

As a Christian, I'd much rather mass conversions then killings. Remember how Vladimer the Christianizer converted the Rus...all were sent to the river and mass baptised.==

I'd prefer the same, though it's not easy. Those muslims multiply more quickly than christian nations.


50 posted on 11/08/2005 3:18:28 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: expatguy

Like nothing wrong with Communism or Nazism - it's just the radical extremeist Communists and Nazis we need to worry about right?==

Communism is an economical and social ideology, not a real thing to worry without dictatorship.

Speaking simplistically, Dictatorship and Nazism are radical form of Autocracy and Nationalism so you and your sarcasm are right.


51 posted on 11/08/2005 3:32:30 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: mym
I can remind you that USA sells weapon to Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Poland, Pakistan etc. This countries are close to Russia. Anyway Chavez is not a Russia's friend at all. He's just a guy who wants to buy our weapon and who is free to do it somewhere else. It's his right by international law. For Russia it's a business deal, not political. Chaves is your (US) problem not ours.

Countries you've mentioned are allies of US. Members of coalition, or it's supporters, in the war on terror. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland are free, democratic states. Being close to Russia is not an issue!! It's not your area of influence no more! So cut the soviet crap!

On the other hand, Russia and US should be on the same side, or at least the exKGB Putin says so. Then he sells weapons to a country hostile to the US and makes deals with Iran. Noticed that those countries are not free and are anti-democratic and anti-US????

According to your logic Poland should sell weapons to Chechnya, Mashadov since He's just a guy who wants to buy our weapon and it's a business deal, not political.

Decide whose friend do you want to be and if you should support freedom and democracy.

52 posted on 11/08/2005 3:43:41 AM PST by kaiser80
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To: kaiser80

Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland are free, democratic states.==

Yeah, yeah... what about Pakistan?

On the other hand, Russia and US should be on the same side, or at least the exKGB Putin says so.==

Russia and US are on the same side in the War On Terror. Venezuela isn't a terrorist state.

Then he sells weapons to a country hostile to the US and makes deals with Iran. Noticed that those countries are not free and are anti-democratic and anti-US????==

So you claim that Chavez is a dictator, don't you? Have any proof?

Decide whose friend do you want to be and if you should support freedom and democracy.==

Don't confuse War on Terror and spreading of American influence (War for Resources). As Russian I'm for 1st and against 2nd.

Freedom and democracy isn't a synonim for "pro-American".


53 posted on 11/08/2005 4:05:50 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: mym; lizol; All
1. Yeah, yeah... what about Pakistan?

Where did I write about Pakistan being free and democratic? What I wrote was that Pakistan is an important if not key ally in the WOT.

2.Russia and US are on the same side in the War On Terror. Venezuela isn't a terrorist state.

Are they? Issue of Iran for example...

3. So you claim that Chavez is a dictator, don't you? Have any proof?

Chavez is anti democratic, friend of Castro, hostile to the US. If you had read newspapers other than Playboy you might have noticed it.

4. Don't confuse War on Terror and spreading of American influence (War for Resources). As Russian I'm for 1st and against 2nd.

Don't confuse WOT and spreading Russian imperialism, influence and will of proving it's power (Chechnya). As Pole I'm for 1st and against 2nd. See the point?

5. Don't confuse War on Terror and spreading of American influence (War for Resources). As Russian I'm for 1st and against 2nd. Freedom and democracy isn't a synonim for "pro-American".

I belive that you are on the wrong forum...

54 posted on 11/08/2005 4:41:23 AM PST by kaiser80
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To: kaiser80

Where did I write about Pakistan being free and democratic? What I wrote was that Pakistan is an important if not key ally in the WOT.==

So Pakistan isn't free and democratic but USA sell them weapon? It reminds me something... aha, CIA and its creature, Osama bin Laden.

Issue of Iran for example...==

Russia doesn't sell weapon to Iran.

Chavez is anti democratic, friend of Castro, hostile to the US. If you had read newspapers other than Playboy you might have noticed it.==

Being a friend of Castro doesn't make Chavez supporter of terrorists. If so I'd be the first to blame Putin for arming Chavez.

Don't confuse WOT and spreading Russian imperialism, influence and will of proving it's power (Chechnya). As Pole I'm for 1st and against 2nd. See the point?==

I see and it's your right. But you are wrong about Chechnya. Chechens got their independecy twice (with Dudaev and Maskhadov). All they did is created a bandit state, based on slavery, narcotics and banditry. I assure you, Russia can give Chechens an independency immediately after they prove their ability to live in peace with neighbours.


55 posted on 11/08/2005 5:05:06 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: kaiser80

5. Don't confuse War on Terror and spreading of American influence (War for Resources). As Russian I'm for 1st and against 2nd. Freedom and democracy isn't a synonim for "pro-American".==

I belive that you are on the wrong forum...====

It's FREE Republic, isn't it?


56 posted on 11/08/2005 5:09:29 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: mym
So Pakistan isn't free and democratic but USA sell them weapon? It reminds me something... aha, CIA and its creature, Osama bin Laden.

As I said it twice, clear enough, Pakistan was, is, and hopefully will be, an important member of antiterrorist coalition! That is why US sells them weapons, to support Musharaf in the WOT in Pakistan.

Russia doesn't sell weapon to Iran.

But Russia is planning to help them with nuclear facilities.

Being a friend of Castro doesn't make Chavez supporter of terrorists. If so I'd be the first to blame Putin for arming Chavez.

I didn't say he is! He is anti-democratic, anti US. That's all. Period.

I see and it's your right. But you are wrong about Chechnya. Chechens got their independecy twice (with Dudaev and Maskhadov). All they did is created a bandit state, based on slavery, narcotics and banditry. I assure you, Russia can give Chechens an independency immediately after they prove their ability to live in peace with neighbours.

Well, if you call an action of militants, extrimist, without support of the state, against Dagestan the justified reason for what's happening in Chechnya im more than scared.

Yes, It's FreeRepublic, that's why I belive that you might feel unconfortable being almost alone in your opinion about some key issues.

57 posted on 11/08/2005 5:22:03 AM PST by kaiser80
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To: Just mythoughts
Which of these nations have ever invaded Russia?

Lithuania and Poland, as well as Sweden, Finland, Germany (and the earlier Teutons), France, and of course the Mongols/Tartars.

I know a bit of history...

History is a most interesting subject.

58 posted on 11/08/2005 5:26:49 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: kaiser80
Russia doesn't sell weapon to Iran.==

But Russia is planning to help them with nuclear facilities.====

It's impossible to create nuke via light-water reactor Russia wants to build in Iran.
Look at it from this geopolitical (Russian) point of view: 1) Iran never supported chechen terrorists. Else it would be catastrophe for Russia. So Russia must balance between West and East.
2) It's better to have Russian control over Iran nuclear program than no control at all. Read this: US and Russia back ‘nuclear fuel bank’

Well, if you call an action of militants, extrimist, without support of the state, against Dagestan the justified reason for what's happening in Chechnya im more than scared.==

1) The state which lets creation of such groups cannot exist by itself. It's the same like Afghanistan and Taliban. 2) I don't like what's going on in Chechnya. I don't like what's going on in Iraq. But... it's a cruel world.

I see you are so in love with Chechens. May be you want to became "figher for islam" and go to Chechnya to fight for those "poor" bandits?

Yes, It's FreeRepublic, that's why I belive that you might feel unconfortable being almost alone in your opinion about some key issues.==

I'm ready for this. FR is an American forum. It's interesting to know how Americans think.
59 posted on 11/08/2005 5:55:16 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: mym
1) Iran never supported chechen terrorists. Else it would be catastrophe for Russia. So Russia must balance between West and East.

Iran strongly and almost officialy supports insurgents in Irak, wants to destroy Israel. In fact it's a terrorist state. What's the point in supporting them?

1) The state which lets creation of such groups cannot exist by itself. It's the same like Afghanistan and Taliban. 2) I don't like what's going on in Chechnya. I don't like what's going on in Iraq. But... it's a cruel world.

Chechnya after I war was destroyed, with no effective state structures and institutions. What could they do? Wouldn't be wise to support them at that time instead of making the mistake of attacking them?

I see you are so in love with Chechens. May be you want to became "figher for islam" and go to Chechnya to fight for those "poor" bandits?

If any word of criticism over Russia for antrocities in Chechnya means to be in love with "bandits" than they are the most beloved people on earth...

"figher for islam"

LOL, LOL, LOL...You should know that before the wars Chechnya was far away from being a muslim state. In fact they have, tfu, had complitely different attitude to the key issues like women, jihad etc. Islamists became powerful there in RESULT of Russia's action there especially after Chechen War the II.

60 posted on 11/08/2005 6:04:48 AM PST by kaiser80
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