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Picky female frogs drive evolution of new species in less than 8,000 years
UC Berkeley News Center ^ | 27 October 2005 | Robert Sanders

Posted on 11/02/2005 10:54:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: mlc9852

Of course not. I don't stand for liars, so you run away from me like a coward.


181 posted on 11/02/2005 1:56:40 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: savedbygrace
The timeline summarized in the article seems to be based on assumptions...

Which means you have some idea of the assumptions being made, or you wouldn't characterize the research as being "based on assumptions." That thought would never cross the mind of anyone who understood science, and is typically a creationist talking point.

So, either you have an idea of the assumptions you claim have been made, or you are just assuming that's how science works (in which case you would be wrong).

182 posted on 11/02/2005 1:56:43 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: mlc9852
And evidence is all in the interpretation, isn't it?

Um - no, it isn't. If that's what you really think, no wonder that you're a creationist.

183 posted on 11/02/2005 1:57:35 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball

The first time mlc9852 said that he (or she) was not replying to me, it was stated as though he (or she) had initially said it sometime in the past. Except that I checked and he (or she) hadn't. So he (or she) was lying then and now.


184 posted on 11/02/2005 1:58:03 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

You wish


185 posted on 11/02/2005 1:58:42 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: PatrickHenry
It doesn't occur to anyone that there are assumptions built into this analyis?

Because of geographic isolation that began between 1 and 2 million years ago with the retreat of rainforest to higher elevations, two separate frog lineages developed in the northern and southern parts of the species' coastal range - only to be reconnected less than 8,000 years ago as the climate got wetter and warmer and the rainforest expanded.

Hoskin and his colleagues found that the northern and southern calls of the male frog, which are what females pay attention to in the mating game, had become different from each other.

We don't know that they were all originally the same before the communities were divided. We don't know what the calls of the male frog sounded like before they were divided.

there may have been selection pressure to evolve a mating strategy...; This appears to have occurred in the contact region...

Speculation. Why is this kind of stuff given such high credibility by evolutionists? Can it be because it aligns with what they already believe?

186 posted on 11/02/2005 1:59:53 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: Dimensio; mlc9852

I've been told that she's a she, if it makes any difference.

But I love how she keeps responding to you saying that she's not responding to you!


187 posted on 11/02/2005 2:00:16 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dimensio
I have refused to reply to your name-calling and insults for some time now. Honesty still isn't your strong suit, is it? Go back and review some prior posts. I always say the same thing. I don't respond to those who use name-calling and insults to try to make their point. And funny I don't "run away" from anyone else, isn't it? And many are much smarter than you.
188 posted on 11/02/2005 2:00:28 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Honesty still isn't your strong suit, is it?

Come now - anyone who supports this school board ought to be very careful before they call another person a liar.

189 posted on 11/02/2005 2:01:41 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mlc9852
"I would wonder why his/her parents weren't watching him/her near the water.

That doesn't answer the question. Is it a sign of high intelligence for a human child to, on her own, figure out that a stick will help her avoid the deep spots in the stream? Yes or no?

"And writing goes back much farther than a few hundred years.

In our culture yes. However many cultures did not develop writing as a method of storage until much later. An example is the northern plains aboriginals who passed on stories verbally and used other methods of communication than writing. Does that make them less than human?

"Look, if you want to be an ape, that's fine. I prefer to be a human.

You are an ape and a human, as am I.

190 posted on 11/02/2005 2:04:40 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: PatrickHenry

No. Seriously. In what way were they "unable to mate with either of the original frog populations"?


191 posted on 11/02/2005 2:06:18 PM PST by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- Rush Limbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: mlc9852
Evolution has absolutely no impact on my life one way or another.

You see, this is how you're incorrect. The study of evolutionary theory has practical application not only in the medical sciences and biology, but fields beyond biology as well. For example, an important aspect of modern oil exploration is micropaleontology, the study of the microscopic remains of bacteria, diatoms, pollens, and protists. Micropaleontology is by far the largest field of paleontology, and has broad application in envrionmental engineering and mineral exploration. So, if you drive a car, or use electricity from coal-fired power plants, then evolution has had an impact on your life.

192 posted on 11/02/2005 2:06:48 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: PatrickHenry

When I’m calling you-ou-ou-ou-ou-ou-ou
Will you answer true-ou-ou-ou-ou-ou-ou


193 posted on 11/02/2005 2:07:56 PM PST by Rock N Jones
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To: mlc9852
So you don't think evolution means descended from one common ancestor? Great! I can agree with that!

Of course I think evolution posits common descent. Are you deliberately being obtuse or can you not help yourself?

194 posted on 11/02/2005 2:14:27 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: mlc9852
I have repeatedly stated I have no way of knowing how old the earth is but believe it is more than 6,000 years.

If you have no way of knowing how old the earth is, how do you know it's older than 6000 years?

195 posted on 11/02/2005 2:16:02 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: PatrickHenry
... in less than 8,000 years

So you were there?

(But I see the real creos beat me to it, and with a straight face at that. How easy it is to do "the REAL science!")

196 posted on 11/02/2005 2:18:54 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: mlc9852
Evolution has absolutely no impact on my life one way or another.

I love your head-in-the-sand mentality. Evolution affects you whether you like it or not. And you may be singing another tune if a strain of avian influenza evolves and wipes out your family.

And evidence is all in the interpretation, isn't it?

No. Evidence is evidence. Facts are facts. And you have neither on your side.

197 posted on 11/02/2005 2:20:51 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: mlc9852
A frog is a frog is a frog. What is your point? Did the frog sprout wings and fly? No? Hmmmm.....

Don't you think you're overly simplifying things here? There are a variety of frog species. Do you really consider all of them to be the same?

198 posted on 11/02/2005 2:25:30 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: mlc9852
Look, if you want to be an ape, that's fine. I prefer to be a human.

False dichotomy.

You are a human, and an ape.

A relatively hairless, clever, tool-using ape. But an ape, nonetheless.

199 posted on 11/02/2005 2:27:30 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: PatrickHenry
... began selecting mates with a the southern call type.

So those Yankee accents drove those little trollops wild ... in Australia north is north & south is south ... but north is actually closer to the equator ... so those southern gentlemen frogs are Yankees (by our standards) ... get my drift? Oh, never mind ...

200 posted on 11/02/2005 2:42:11 PM PST by BluH2o
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