Posted on 11/01/2005 11:29:35 AM PST by kedshouse
It was reported on 17 July 2003 by one of the legacy media. I don't remember which one. I don't have the link now, but it is true. The cake came out of the one nuke plant Saddam still had standing at the end of the war.
5.56mm
The Clinton administration has too many hold overs still working the CIA. Their loyalties are not in our nation's best interest.
It used to be fairly common to debrief business travelers etc. without having them submit formal documents; it's not considered as coming from an agent but the source would be identified by number and the debriefing presented as third person.
What's stunning here is that most of these travelers stay quiet lest they foul their relations over seas. What's stunning here is that most people who are married to a spook either remain silent or in the dark. What is REALLY stunning is that this jerk broke both standards; he bragged about going spying for the CIA/VP and invited scrutiny by doing so; outed himself as a jerk and his wife as a CIA employee.
The only individual endangered in this stunt (individual - not nation or society) is some lonely diplomat's girl friend.
You're missing the point.
Wilson's complaint was that Cheney should have known, but it was not kicked up to that level.
The point being, it was deemed an oral report not worth kicking up 4 levels, and when it was later repeated, months and months later, Wilson pretended surprise that his report was "ignored"-but it was ignored by lower levels months before.
The big question is this:
If Plame was a high-level analyst with enough clout to send her husband to Niger, then why didn't she make sure Wilson's report was kicked upstairs for over a year?
This gets to part of my point. From reading the Senate Intelligence Committee's report, it is very clear that from the CIA's vantage point, this whole area and question about Niger and Iraq was classified. To allow or facilitate classified subject matter to be publicly disclosed as a result of someone involved (Wilson) not being paid seems strange. I must reiterate, because of the lack of reporting, we don't know if this is CIA SOP, maybe it is? It just seems to me to be a case that someone or some group in the CIA set the conditions for this to become public. Even, as noted by the Senate, Valerie Plame is supposed to have told her husband something like "There's this crazy report that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger".
Question: Can this whole thread be moved (if possible, how)to the "CIA Leak (Plame)" thread?
I have been told by those who should know that you would have had to have been a government employee in one of the "alphabet" agencies when Clinton took office to fully understand what is going on here. Immediately following Clinton's inaugeration, a "Night of the Long Knives" took place. Democrat political activists were appointed as directors of these agencies and the first thing they did was to force the agencies' leadership into retirement. As soon as they had forced a department head out, a Democrat partisan from within the agency was promoted to replace him. Homosexuals, feminists, and minorities were promoted over people many years their senior, and now this Democrat loyal leadership is doing everything in their power to help the Democrats regain power.
No I don't think there was anything substantial in it. We know there wasn't, now.
But at the time, Plame didn't know that-the CIA didn't know it (according to them).
So I think it's very relevant to ask, WHY didn't Plame make sure Wilson's report was given attention?
Wasn't that the whole point of going, to find out one way or the other? He made a conclusion, came back with it, and his own wife, who sent him on the trip---disregarded it.
NOBODY CARED. Why? His own wife didn't care what his findings were, to the degree that his oral report was never conveyed to any other levels.
Yet Wilson claims he went around Washington trying to get "the administration" to take note of it. Why would they, if Plame and the CIA didn't think it important?
"He got it in Niger...but in the 1970's."
Yellowcake is mined in Niger even as we write, by a Niger/French consortium. And, the French were apparently behind the forged documents which were used to debunk the Niger story.
"I believe it is fairly obvious that our "own" CIA is running a covert operation against the Executive Branch"
I think that's exactly right. One can only hope Porter Goss has what it takes to get rid of some of those who were behind this effort to get the Bush administration. It's seems clear Plame and her bosses are involved, possibly as an effort to deflect blame for their complete ineptness regardng the WMD thing.
DEMS JUST THROWING THE KITCHEN SINK AT BUSH, HOPING SOMETHING HITS HIM.
CONSERVATIVES UNITE. TIME TO DESTROY THE DEM PARTY ONCE AND FOR ALL.
"The Dems were adamant that Wilson be viewed as independent, and therefore, as credible."
Wilson is certainly not independent of the Dems. He served as Ambassador to Gabon under Clinton - a political appointment. And he served on Sandy Berger's National Security Council staff - also a political appointment.
Is Porter Goss doing anything about this situation?
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