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Wilson/Plame/CIA: Something's Rotten
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Posted on 11/01/2005 11:29:35 AM PST by kedshouse

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1 posted on 11/01/2005 11:29:36 AM PST by kedshouse
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SCOOTER! ZAT YOU?


3 posted on 11/01/2005 11:38:53 AM PST by elbucko
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I believe it is fairly obvious that our "own" CIA is running a covert operation against the Executive Branch. They are worried that Bush is going to shake up things there so much and heads are gonna roll and they will be embarassed because of their miss on 9/11 and Iraq intelligence.


4 posted on 11/01/2005 11:41:36 AM PST by cosulo res publica (I'll put the NRA up against Al-Quaida any time.)
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To: Baynative
The fact that he could have been a double agent and she could have endangered various agents and missions seems to mean nothing to the media, the agency, the grand jury, the prosecutor or the Senate Intelligence Committee.

It seems that your fears are justified. He has turned out to be a double agent and the MSM is complicit.

5 posted on 11/01/2005 11:44:03 AM PST by River_Wrangler (You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him float on his back!)
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To: cosulo res publica
Good grief, Charlie Brown

What is going on at the CIA?

6 posted on 11/01/2005 11:44:52 AM PST by pointsal
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To: Baynative
The fact that he could have been a double agent and she could have endangered various agents and missions seems to mean nothing to the media, the agency, the grand jury, the prosecutor or the Senate Intelligence Committee.

It seems that your fears are justified. He has turned out to be a double agent and the MSM is complicit.

7 posted on 11/01/2005 11:45:05 AM PST by River_Wrangler (You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him float on his back!)
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Sorry about double post. Must be slow electrons today.

Sorry about double post. Must be slow electrons today.

Sorry about double post. Must be slow electrons today.

Sorry about double post. Must be slow electrons today.


8 posted on 11/01/2005 11:47:25 AM PST by River_Wrangler (You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him float on his back!)
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To: kedshouse

About the lack of a non-disclosure agreement, I have heard the argument that it was not required because Wilson was not paid for taking the trip (he received only reimbursement for his travel expenses). Apparently, the claim is that, because Wilson was not a paid employee of the CIA or a paid consultant, he did not need to sign a non-disclosure agreement. This makes little sense to me, but I don't know how these things work.


9 posted on 11/01/2005 11:48:40 AM PST by Stirner
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To: kedshouse

Wilson wrote about not making a report in his book, which I found excerpts of at Amazon. (hehe)

Another aspect is that he insists he knows the process and how it all works, so he speculates that "Cheney's office said _____" or "the CIA did _____". It's all based on pure speculation on his part, not protocol or any policy he'd know, at all.

How would he know what is protocol or not? Why would Plame believe he was qualified to do "fact finding" about yellowcake, and her bosses agree (she didn't make the decision to recruit or send him on her own)?


10 posted on 11/01/2005 11:50:14 AM PST by LibWrangler
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To: Baynative
The one thing we know is that NONE of these questions will come up in the media or the trial.

Because we all know whose side the media and the prosecutor are on.

11 posted on 11/01/2005 11:50:16 AM PST by b4its2late (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: kedshouse

My answer to those questions is that the CIA was doing a half-assed job of responding to Cheney's request for more info on Niger. When Plame nominated Wilson for the job - as an adjunct to a personal business trip he already had planned - the CIA jumped at the chance for an easy response to Cheney's request. So they demanded little of Wilson, paid for his trip, and, upon his return, allowed him to de-brief two CIA agents rather than write a report himself. The subsequent report was flimsy and contained little or no new information, and was so inconsequential that Cheney never even saw it. Months later, when the failure to find WMDs in Iraq was becoming a political issue, Wilson joined forces with the Democrats and began spinning and distorting his "findings" in such a way as to discredit the White House. Some elements in the CIA, for both CYA and anti-Bush motives, helped to facilitate Wilson in smearing the White House, and helped elevate Plame's eventual "outing" into a "scandal" worthy of a special prosecutor. That's my take.


12 posted on 11/01/2005 11:53:57 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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When Wilson wrote the op-ed, everyone naturally assumed there was some sort of paper trail and written documentation prepared BY HIM, which the administration had ignored.

He later wrote that it was common protocol for Cheney to be briefed verbally four times or more removed.

I don't believe that.


13 posted on 11/01/2005 11:55:50 AM PST by LibWrangler
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Good afternoon. Here's a fun fact (I know it's off topic)...

A U.S. Airforce C-17 took off from Baghdad airport on July 14, 2003 with 2.5 tons of yellow cake (uranium hexafluoride), in route to the Savannah River nuke weapons plant.

I don't know where Saddam got the uranium, but he got it and processed it.

5.56mm

14 posted on 11/01/2005 11:59:52 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Stirner
About the lack of a non-disclosure agreement, I have heard the argument that it was not required because Wilson was not paid for taking the trip (he received only reimbursement for his travel expenses). Apparently, the claim is that, because Wilson was not a paid employee of the CIA or a paid consultant, he did not need to sign a non-disclosure agreement. This makes little sense to me, but I don't know how these things work.

BWA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA! You have no idea how these self-important VIP's travel! I bet his travel voucher would water your eyes! Airfare to Niger (first Class with enroute stops in Europe both ways! Five Star hotels all the way! VERRY expensive cups of "sweet mint tea". If Joe Wilson didn't milk the taxpayers for tens of thousands of dollars for this "unofficial" trip, it would amaze me.
15 posted on 11/01/2005 12:01:40 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: M Kehoe

He got it in Niger...but in the 1970's.


16 posted on 11/01/2005 12:02:14 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: M Kehoe
Do you know what you are saying?

Can this be verified?

If true, why has it not been reported anywhere else?

17 posted on 11/01/2005 12:06:49 PM PST by Rapscallion (It goes far deeper than contempt of Congress. Government takes so much and gives so little.)
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Wilson also wrote that he spent four months, March - July 2005, trying to convince administration officials to "come clean".

He says he spoke to reporters "on background" and voiced his dismay that the Bush administration was stonewalling "in the face of reasonable queries from the press".

This is very telling. First, Wilson was already talking to reporters and stirring up trouble before he wrote the op-ed, and what does he mean "reasonable queries from the press"? What kind of queries, from who? (Remember, we didn't know yet about Wilson, so who was he trying to incite?)

He then says the story began to "spin out of control" in late June, so (again) when was it that the press was asking all those reasonable questions? Wilson says he only wrote the op-ed because he was about to be named as "the official in question" in late June-but this is when they say his wife was being "outed", yet nobody at that time knew his identity until late June, according to him.

As an aside, he says in his book that he tried to figure out what the WH was "trying to suggest" regarding his wife--"were they trying to suggest my wife had something to do with sending me to the middle of the Sahara?" He was still lying in the book about Plame's role.



18 posted on 11/01/2005 12:11:07 PM PST by LibWrangler
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To: LibWrangler
4 times removed is nothing depending on what measure you are using. Likely it works this way.

Investigator ----> Analyst ---> Briefer ----> VP

That isn't a far separation. so a silly derision when speaking about bureaucracies as big as ours.
19 posted on 11/01/2005 12:13:30 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: kedshouse

What is rotten is that the CIA is rotten to its rotten core and is betraying this country and the executive branch. It is out of control and needs to be crushed.


20 posted on 11/01/2005 12:13:50 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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