Joe Wilson In A Bind

American Spectator ^ | 10-31-05 | Clinton W. Taylor

[Boazo]

Hey, that's no way to talk about his wife! LOL

[potlatch]

LOL, you nut!!

[devolve]

Makeup!

[potlatch]

That must be the 'before' picture! Makeup much improves him!

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Well put! what a swarmy, phony and not very intelligent leftie with a blonde bimbo for a wife. Guess she didn't make it very far in her career.ha. Puleez...let his 15 mins of fame be up soon. I can't stand to watch him or hear him.

where does the left get these clowns? wilson? Sheehadi? sharpton? Byrd and Kennedy?...and of course, Scairy Kerry.
With characters like these who needs Halloween masks today?

[ntnychik]

fyi

[tsomer]

...in my view Joe Wilson has been right about everything except the most important thing - what it takes to defend this country.

Now that is entirely plausible. Liberals do take their freedom and their security for granted. This is their greatest sin.

But: why is it that no one seems to be questioning the sources behind Wilson's claims? The Nigerian government seems thoroughly corrupt. Wilson's familiarity to them as a former diplomat would have insured they provide a weekend with Rosy Scenario. I doubt he could have found any real scuttlebut if he'd wanted to. Yet he claims infallible knowledge of all that occurred, in the op-ed section of the daily wiper. Some diplomat. Some snoop.

[Just Lori]

Question: Didn't Wilson testify to the grand jury? And if he testified to these likely lies, why isn't he and other CIA personnel being charged with perjury?

I'm still trying to figure out how Sandy Burglar got away with stealing documents from the archives. Wouldn't you think that was a serious Federal offense? Why didn't anyone go after him?

[smoothsailing]

Oh my God! That's my next door neighbor, the retired college english professor. I'm printing this out so I can slide it under his door.

I swear! LOL!

[PhilDragoo]

WITLESS FOR THE PROSECUTION

[liberallarry]

But: why is it that no one seems to be questioning the sources behind Wilson's claims?

Yes, he and our other sources of intelligence could have been wrong (He, himself has said so). Intelligence seems to be a lot worse than we've been led to believe by Hollywood and bad novels. But prior to the war most intelligence was on his side and subsequent facts on the ground support him rather than the Administration.

[beyond the sea]

Such laughter is not of joy, but of ridicule and mockery.

Very clear now. It's good to know that the "hoot" you were suggesting was laughter of ridicule.

In my original post to you, I didn't really think you were laughing with Wilson, I was just basically venting about his appearances anywhere. He and a few others belong behind bars.

[bitt]

There must be a picture somewhere of Wilson and Clark plotting together..President Bush and his staff were fighting a war against the Islamofascists AND a war against their partisian intelligence agencies....

[NonLinear]

My understanding is that covert officers work in the Directorate of Operations, analysists work in the Directorate of Intelligence. That Plame worked in the former strongly suggests that Wilson's description of her is accurate.

No doubt that covert officers work at the Directorate of Operations, since that is the covert divison of the CIA. Your logic appears to be:

Covert officers work in the Directorate of Operations
Valerie Plame Wilson worked in the Directorate of Operation
ergo Valerie Plame Wilson was covert.

Sorry - doesn't wash. You need the word "ONLY" at the start of the first premise to support the conclusion.

[liberallarry]

Your logic appears to be:
Covert officers work in the Directorate of Operations
Valerie Plame Wilson worked in the Directorate of Operation
ergo Valerie Plame Wilson was covert.

My logic is
Covert officers work in the Directorate of Operations
Valerie Plame Wilson worked in the Directorate of Operation
She had enough power to participate in important decision-making
She and her husband say she was covert
ergo Valerie Plame Wilson very likely was, or had been, covert.

[NonLinear]

My logic is
Covert officers work in the Directorate of Operations
Valerie Plame Wilson worked in the Directorate of Operation
She had enough power to participate in important decision-making
She and her husband say she was covert
ergo Valerie Plame Wilson very likely was, or had been, covert.

Your logic is still faulty. The director of the DO has more power than she, and he is not covert. And ignoring that, after 22 months of investigation, the special prosecutor disagrees with your assessment. Your position is untenable. In fact, you have no position.


She had enough power to participate in important decision-making
You have been arguing in your previous posts that she did NOT participate in the important decision making.
Which is it?


She and her husband say she was covert
I have not seen where she says she was covert, but her husband has already been caught in at least three lies. His statements are worthless.

[SierraWasp]

Thank you for your very kind and very astute remarks, Recovering Ex-hippie... From a recovering citizen politician.

[tsomer]

But prior to the war most intelligence was on his side...

That's not saying much, by your own accounting.

and subsequent facts on the ground support him rather than the Administration.

Well, whose ground? I still believe that long term assessment will bear out on the side of the Administration. Part of the problem with this debate is that we subject this evidence to the same requirements we do in our courts. I don't think we have that luxury in a situation like this, certainly against this particular enemy. I think Saddam scuttled his program before the war-- some to Syria, some to God knows where. We won't have the full picture for years to come. Wilson was a bit player who, presuming to know better,publicly denounced the administration he claims sent him. When he gets a dose of his own medicine, when the revealer is revealed, he claims persecution. Maybe this legal technicality-- Plame's supposed covert status-- will sustain him. But know one in this administration has been charged for violating that; it doesn't appear that anyone will.

[Eagles Talon IV]

"I've heard this too but I can't imagine the reasoning. Can you post the pages where it appears?"

From the WP. Anything but a conservative source.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

"Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."

IMO, if this loser institutes a civil action against Libby, it is likely he will wind up in jail after the defense gets through with nailing him in all his lies.

[Eagles Talon IV]

I never said it was a big deal as far as what you said, but it is important in that it shows how Wilson lied about this when he said that Cheney sent him AND that his wife had nothing to do with him going.

To be totally non biased about this it is clear in looking at the Wilson statements since he returned from Niger and checking them against the committee reports and the CIA statements that Wilson has lied numerous times. The question is WHY?