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Alito and free speech
New World Man ^ | Oct. 29, 2005 | Matt Barr

Posted on 10/30/2005 6:56:23 PM PST by SteveH

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1 posted on 10/30/2005 6:56:24 PM PST by SteveH
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How many conservatives will take their ball and go home just because Luttig didn't get picked? Redstate.org is quoting rumors that Bush is concerned Luttig will "grow" in office, and I think we all know what that means.


2 posted on 10/30/2005 7:02:12 PM PST by eddiebear (If you want to send a message, try Hallmark next time.)
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It doesn't matter who is picked. FR will see another forum war over the nominee. The level will depend on who the nominee is. Of course if it is someone like Gonzales, expect the venom to be so thick that the sever might shut down before it is poisoned.

There is a handful of malcontents who will be p*ssed no matter who is picked because they have their minds made up that President Bush is planning to nominate a bunch of Souters. Then you have those who will be p*ssed because their pet nominee isn't selected (Alito, Luttig, Brown, etc.).

3 posted on 10/30/2005 7:06:21 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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If Alito or Brown are the nominees you'll see little if any complaining.


4 posted on 10/30/2005 7:15:12 PM PST by thoughtomator (Ninety-nine Republican Arlen Specters aren’t worth one Democratic Zell Miller)
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There is a handful of malcontents who will be p*ssed no matter who is picked because they have their minds made up that President Bush is planning to nominate a bunch of Souters. Then you have those who will be p*ssed because their pet nominee isn't selected (Alito, Luttig, Brown, etc.).

Will anyone out there be "p*ssed" if Bush selects Alito, Luttig, or Brown . . . anyone? Nope, didn't think so. Don't try to rationalize the Miers mistake by claiming that any candidate would have drawn the same criticism. This characterization of the ani-Miers crowd as mindless Bush-haters is intellectually dishonest.

5 posted on 10/30/2005 7:27:57 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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Don't put words in my mouth. I said there would be a "handful" who will oppose anyone the President nominates. You know as well as I do that there will be a few here who will do just that.


6 posted on 10/30/2005 7:31:10 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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No one would complain if the nominee turned out to be Ann Coulter! ;-)

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

7 posted on 10/30/2005 7:33:34 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Oh yes they would and it would be more than you think.

Coulter has lost a lot of respect lately by her trashing of the President, her whoring out to the MSM, and her venomous attacks on Roberts and Miers. Disagree about Miers is fine but saying she isn't qualified because she went to SMU and that means she is stupid, is just very childish.

8 posted on 10/30/2005 7:36:21 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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To: eddiebear
If Luttig were to "grow" in office, there would be bigger problems then just him changing.

Luttig is also best friends with Roberts and is close with Scalia and Thomas.

Basically, the 4 of them are like a clique, if Luttig "grows", that means all 4 of them are changing.

That said, Alito is solid as it Luttig, and either one of them would make me happy.

I prefer Luttig based on his age alone, but both would be fine.

9 posted on 10/30/2005 7:41:42 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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FR will see another forum war over the nominee.

Like the War over Roberts? Wow, that was intense. Ann Coulter had some skeptical columns and that was about it.

10 posted on 10/30/2005 7:47:24 PM PST by Plutarch
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I said there would be a "handful" who will oppose anyone the President nominates.

If that's what you meant than I don't see the point you were making. You can always find a few people who are unreasonable no matter what the issue. There are a handful of people who would oppose President Bush if he decids to nominate Alito to the Supreme Court, and there are a handful who would support him if he decided to nominate Bruce Babbit.

11 posted on 10/30/2005 7:59:30 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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Like the War over Roberts? Wow, that was intense. Ann Coulter had some skeptical columns and that was about it.

I agree. And Roberts is far more of a question mark than Alito, Luttig, or Brown.

12 posted on 10/30/2005 8:00:43 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Plutarch

I never mentioned Roberts in relation to a forum war. I said if it was Gonzales we'd see a forum war.


13 posted on 10/30/2005 8:00:51 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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To: Sonny M

Does Luttig's view on "super-precedents" worry you at all? I think that is his only question mark, and what puts Alito above him on my list.


14 posted on 10/30/2005 8:02:24 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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Pretty much. Ann was out virtually alone over Roberts, making claims we'll go ballistic over anyone dishonest.

People can check the FR poll over Roberts, overwhelming approval matching the level G.W.B. usually gets from Republicans in media polls. Anything suggesting otherwise is spin born of bitterness because we concluded Miers was a mistake.

Luttig, Alito, Jones, and Brown will NOT meet massive resistance or sour grapes by the vast majority. Always expect one or two to grumble, but the base will be with them.

If someone like Williams or Sykes, the base will be with them, though a little disappointed not the top tier of heavyweights. Nevertheless, they are solid and the objective is to fix the courts. We don't need our favorites to do that, these would be competant as would a dozen or so others.


15 posted on 10/30/2005 8:02:37 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Texas Federalist

Some have argued that remark on 'super precedent' was meant to be mocking if read in context of the opinion. I'm inclined to believe that to be the case though everyone would have to make their own call after reading it.


16 posted on 10/30/2005 8:06:02 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: COEXERJ145

puh
lease.


17 posted on 10/30/2005 8:19:19 PM PST by flashbunny (Ask yourself why some posters here use the term "uber conservative" like it's some kind of slur.)
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To: Texas Federalist
Does Luttig's view on "super-precedents" worry you at all? I think that is his only question mark, and what puts Alito above him on my list.

It does concern me, he has that same type of Scalia thinking with stare decisis.

I'm not positive that Alito isn't the same way either.

I'd prefer a judge who doesn't respect stare decisis, and is more like Clarence Thomas.

The problem is that its hard to get judges who think more like Thomas and less like Scalia.

18 posted on 10/30/2005 8:22:29 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: COEXERJ145
I said if it was Gonzales we'd see a forum war.

If it's Gonzales, the war will go well beyond the forum. We'd be talking 1814 tiki torches at the White House war.
19 posted on 10/30/2005 8:25:11 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: COEXERJ145
I never mentioned Roberts in relation to a forum war.

You didn't mention Roberts, you just said:

It doesn't matter who is picked. FR will see another forum war over the nominee.

Roberts was someone "who was picked." There was no forum war, battle, or even skirmish.

20 posted on 10/30/2005 8:25:37 PM PST by Plutarch
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