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LOOKING FORWARD (Post Miers NRO and Frum's Take)
National Review Online ^ | 28 October 2005 | David Frum

Posted on 10/29/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by shrinkermd

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To: Rokke

Do you have a problem with speech as a part of the process? Please, you're bloviating about "Constitutional process" is a bit much. I guess we're supposed to wait for W to nominate someone then shut-up and let the Senate vote. Miers was unqualified and not up to the job. She was an embarrassment.

I spent election day in a phone bank for W, support him wholeheartedly, but the best favor you can do a friend is to tell him when he's dead wrong. This has nothing to do with the filibuster debate.

An up or down vote is the right of a nominee after Judiciary Committee hearings, not when first submitted by the President. Suppose someone is nominated that it turns out has committed some past or previously unknown crime? What if someone is nominated who falsified his resume? Do we waste time on an up or down vote or hearings for such nominees. The Miers withdrawl has nothing to do with the up or down issue.


21 posted on 10/29/2005 8:11:25 AM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: Rokke
The Senate had nothing to do with her withdrawl, nominees are still entitled to an up or down vote if they reach the Senate. The argument was that democrat fillibusters were a violation of the process. That argument remains intact.

This idea that conservatives somehow thwarted the constitutional process by criticizing or opposing the nomination is nonsense. What are pundits expected to do, remain silent? I guess it then follows that conservative pundits should have been unopposed to Ruth Bader Ginsburg so as not to disrupt the constitutional process.

22 posted on 10/29/2005 8:15:39 AM PDT by garv
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To: shrinkermd

So who's Dave's next favorite "dark horse" Supreme Court nominee, huh?

What a piece of work he is.


23 posted on 10/29/2005 8:15:45 AM PDT by RichInOC ("Scoff if you like. But if it happens, please remember that you read it here first.")
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To: JCEccles; Cicero; shrinkermd; NittanyLion
Pity the poor 100%ers. Guess guilt by association and character assignation attacks are only allowed to be used BY their heros, never against them. Maybe now they see why so many Conservatives are not quite so quick to forgive and forget the gutter tactics that Frum adopted.

Oh BTW, how many of you knew this about Huffy?

Arianna Huffington (born July 15, 1950) is an author and a nationally syndicated columnist in the United States. She describes herself as a "former right-winger who has evolved into a compassionate and progressive populist

Yep she started out as one of ours who found her niche by "evolving" to the Left. Wonder if David is considering following in her footsteps?

Oh but that's right, guilt by innuendo can only be used by 100%ers, never AGAINST them!

24 posted on 10/29/2005 8:24:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: Rokke
I think the petition had a small but welcome part in keeping the momentum building to get this ghastly nomination killed before President Bush got bruised and embarrassed beyond recovery in the Senate hearings.

I didn't sign it. But then, I was already fully aware of what was at stake. A petition has value as a center of gravity around which opinion may coalesce, gain mass, and thereby draw more distant, disinterested opinion toward it.

This is a great day in America. I am confident that George W. Bush isn't pouting or moping like the few Mierskats at FR.

25 posted on 10/29/2005 8:26:24 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: shrinkermd
What was your first gut instinct when you heard the appointment? Mine was, "Oh crap, the idiot nominated some closet crony." Here we had a chance to throw in a red meat judge that will dependably defend the Constitution from the fascists leanings of Ginsburg and company, and we get a no name, undistinguished, mixed record, Texas lawyer.

George Bush may represent the Republican Party, but everyone here knows that not all Republicans are conservatives, and he hardly represents conservatives. I am not sure our own GW would get such a high ACU rating.

Republicans own the damn government, let's shape it with our conservative values. Why the hell are some republicans ashamed of conservative values? Why have some republicans let lefty liberal demoncraps shame them into toning down their position and their values.

Believe me, if the demoncraps owned the government, both houses and the white house, taxes would go up, the UN would be leading us in foreign affairs, spending at least would not go down, it may go up, gay marriages, followed by gay adoptions would be the law of the land, settled by the supreme court by judicial fiat, felons would be given the right to vote and the age of consent would be lowered to 12 to help ensure a demoncrap majority, and the government would be in the business of helping its allied business partners take more personal property in order to increase the tax base, to grow more programs.

The demoncraps are serious about winning this game, and if and when they do, we are all f*ucked, because our democracy will have been nearly diminished and we will be an official second rate european type of country, with second rate european type of problems.

Conservatives have the right ideas, and the right perspective on the world, and believe in individual liberty over almost any other belief. That's why I think it was an EXCELLENT show by conservatives to criticize the nomination. Miers wasn't Borked. Bork was Borked after the gave intellectually honest answers to his judicial philosophy, particularly Roe v. Wade. That's when the Demoncraps screwed him.

You CAN'T appease the Demoncraps, their objective is only absolute power. Demoncraps are just like the Arabs. You can't appease them, you can only surrender and accept your dhimmitude and pay your jizya.

Why did Bush us refuse to exploit our opportunities by nominating Miers instead of a judge who will uphold the constitution, the most sacred American document, and the second most sacred document in the world after the bible?

It is the constitution, in it's original form, that will keep us as free men.
26 posted on 10/29/2005 8:32:14 AM PDT by LA Conservative (The fourth estate is the fifth column)
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To: LA Conservative
Nice, pithy rant.

BTTT

27 posted on 10/29/2005 8:33:30 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: NittanyLion

I would want him to have the decency to shut up his face. I will not read his stuff or watch him on TV op ed shows any more.


28 posted on 10/29/2005 9:03:04 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: JCEccles

Who's "we"? You and the mouse in your pocket?

Us mice don't have much to say. We just vote.


29 posted on 10/29/2005 9:18:20 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: MNJohnnie
Maybe now they see why so many Conservatives are not quite so quick to forgive and forget the gutter tactics that Frum adopted.

But we're not talking about any conservatives - we're talking about you. LOL.

30 posted on 10/29/2005 10:03:04 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Rokke
Are you telling me that you admire someone who thinks starting a petition is an effective means of influencing opinion?

Are you telling me you don't think exercising free speech via a petition is an effective means of influencing opinion?

31 posted on 10/29/2005 10:03:57 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: conservative blonde
I would want him to have the decency to shut up his face. I will not read his stuff or watch him on TV op ed shows any more.

Well, at least you're taking the mature approach...

32 posted on 10/29/2005 10:05:49 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: shrinkermd
FRUM HAS GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! He hasn't got a clue. I will back the President and other conservatives I trust and believe in.

I have been totally disgusted by FRUM's activism in the name of all of the conservatives. We, of course, can't think for ourselves but need him to tell us what to think, or even to have him do our thinking for us. IMHO, his words and actions are not ones I want to be associated with.

I have lost so much faith in so many conservatives and blogs that my "favorites" list is much shorter. You can't restore the fact that those who you considered might have wisdom worth noting, are not wise as you once thought.

This is not about what side they were on. It's about the way they got their way and how they handled themselves doing it.

PS. Note that he thinks all he has to do is declare that all is well and it is fact.
33 posted on 10/29/2005 11:20:34 AM PDT by Bush 100 Percent (H. Miers showed more guts than the Senate)
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To: usafsk
"Do you have a problem with speech as a part of the process? Please, you're bloviating about "Constitutional process" is a bit much."

That those two sentences should follow each other in your post is truly ironic. Apparently, only people who call Bush an idiot, and Miers any number of names are allowed the privilege of free speech. No where in my posts do I say Frum isn't allowed to speak his mind. I realize that unlike you and me, that is how Frum makes his money. By bloviating. But I question the judgment of anyone who considers his opinion worth anything more than warm spit after he decides something as worthless as a petition is an effective means of changing a process. That he circulated his petition nationally on a variety of media and got next to no response indicates I am not alone in my opinion of his effort. The last time I saw such tactics they were either being initiated by leftwing moonbats protesting the war, or junior high children protesting a dress code. If you consider Frum someone worth listening to, you are free to do so. Just as I am free to question his judgment and the worth of his (paid for) opinion.

34 posted on 10/29/2005 11:23:13 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: shrinkermd

I will have a hard time with Coulter/Frum/Kristol/etc. for a long time. (Ann Coulter is forgivable, if sufficient number of her pictures are posted here on FR)

But the rest will have to prove themselves to ever be trusted again.


35 posted on 10/29/2005 11:33:15 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: shrinkermd

And I look forward to seeing what Frum does with the money he raised to rap Miers.

Is he going to use it to get the next nominee confirmed? Or is he going to use it as seed money for the new organization he started to further his voice in Washington?


36 posted on 10/29/2005 11:34:45 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: garv
"I guess it then follows that conservative pundits should have been unopposed to Ruth Bader Ginsburg so as not to disrupt the constitutional process."

You are giving pundits responsibility that rests solely with the American voter. Frankly, I don't want idiot pundits whose world can be defined by the Washington D.C. beltway to make decisions for me. I did not vote for them. Nobody did. In many cases, their qualifications are similar to those of Hollywood actors. "I call myself an expert, therefore I am". If you don't like the decisions made by people you elect, vote them out of office. But if you are going to allow "pundits" to do your work for you, you are no better than liberals who dote on every word and whim from the Hollywood left. Replace Barbra Streisand with Ann Coulter and tell me what the difference is between anyone who wants such celebrities to involve themselves in the political process. I voted for George Bush. Part of that vote included giving him the authority to make decisions like appointing Supreme Court nominees. I also voted for the Senators who are ultimately responsible for deciding whether those nominees deserve a seat on the bench. I didn't vote for Bill Kristol, David Frum, Hugh Hewitt or Rush Limbaugh. I am perfectly willing to listen to what they have to say. And I am perfectly happy to reject their rambling when I don't agree with it. And when one of them (or all of them) ramble on in such a way that they look more stupid than the people they are trying to tear down, I cheerfully toss them onto the great scrap pile of reject celebrities who think their opinion matters more than my vote. Frum currently sits right at the top of my reject pile.

37 posted on 10/29/2005 11:36:33 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: JCEccles
"I think the petition had a small but welcome part in keeping the momentum building to get this ghastly nomination killed before President Bush got bruised and embarrassed beyond recovery in the Senate hearings."

Then apparently you don't believe people like George Will, Ann Coulter, David Frum et al, very publicly calling Bush an "idiot", a "mental midget", a "liar", a "promise breaker", a "lame duck", a "traitor" etc etc etc, had any impact with regard to embarrassing Bush. Don't be a hypocrite. You don't care about embarrassing Bush. All you care about is whether or not your choice makes it to the Supreme Court.

"But then, I was already fully aware of what was at stake. A petition has value as a center of gravity around which opinion may coalesce, gain mass, and thereby draw more distant, disinterested opinion toward it."

Some center of gravity. Last time I looked the dumb thing had generated less than 5000 signatures. It was a joke, and it is a credit to most Americans that they ignored it. It is a supreme discredit to Frum (and National Review) that they ever created it in the first place. You can be sure, they won't make that mistake again.

38 posted on 10/29/2005 11:43:56 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: NittanyLion
"Are you telling me you don't think exercising free speech via a petition is an effective means of influencing opinion?"

Absolutely. With the exception of the California governor recall, which was a procedural effort put in place with specific guidelines, can you tell me when a petition effort has succeeded in changing the course of events? And don't say the Miers nomination, because Frum's petition was overwhelming ignored by even the most vocal Miers opponents.

39 posted on 10/29/2005 11:47:34 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: MNJohnnie
We may forgive you eventually,

Do, or don't. We don't care, either way.

40 posted on 10/29/2005 2:54:08 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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