Posted on 10/28/2005 3:29:36 PM PDT by Crackingham
***I do, five days a week.***
And on the seventh day you rested.
***Science is neither atheistic nor theistic.***
It becomes atheistic when scientist feel the need to use it as a platform to address theological or moral issues - which they often do.
***And some competition anyway. Talking snakes, fertile virgins, ***
Well, you've got your talking apes!
And look what kind of immaculate conception "science" can deliver...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1511312/posts
who needs a knowledge of evolution
Medicine (evolutionary biology). Anthropology (particularly physical/medical/biological and human biology/human races). Geology/sedimentology. Paleontology. Historiography/world history. There are probably a few dozen other I have missed (it's late and I haven't shaved).
The bottom line is, if you are going to study science you can't have religious belief knocking out the parts they don't like. There wouldn't be much left.
Statistics????? Where did you dig that one up? Never once in all that stat I took did I hear anything about biology/evolution or anything remotely close. Some of the examples may have used biological data, but that's about it. Of course, I might have been napping when it occurred...
And on the sixth I watch college football.
It becomes atheistic when scientist feel the need to use it as a platform to address theological or moral issues - which they often do.
That's a mistake. Personally, I live and let live when it comes to religion. Problem is, they so rarely 'let live'.
And look what kind of immaculate conception "science" can deliver.
C'mon, turkey basters are hardly science.
ID is as much a theory as pyramid power and zero point energy machines, except it is even less subject to falsification. Basically, it's thus far an intellectually bankrupt, scientifically worthless, often outright mendacious collection of nonsense being used by the deceitful to gull the ignorant.
WOW! You sure have a way with words.
But tell us, what do you really think? (And is that too long for a tagline?)
Well said.
No. These aren't science. They're technological applications. Anyone who claims that's anti-science might as well say that being opposed to using nerve gas on innocent civilans is anti-science.
Good one. How many people did he kill?
N. N. Semjonow (Chemistry, 1956)
T. D. Lee, Ch. N. Yang (Physics, 1957)
I.M. Frank, I.E. Tamm, P. A. Cherenkov (Physics, 1958)
J. Heyrovsky (Chemistry, 1959)
L. D. Landau (Physics, 1962)
N. Basov, A. Prokhorov (Physics, 1964)
P. L. Kapitsa (Physics, 1978)
You, in turn, talk your way out of the fact the EPR experiment comes out the way it does.
There is certainly no science in the Popperian sense absent observers observing systems, so you are still left with explaining the nondeterminic behaviors observed in quantum mechanical measurement. Unless, of course, you have a non-Popperian view of science, in which case, I wonder on what basis you so hotly insist on science as a superior form of knowlege to religious experience.
Not at all.
There is certainly no science in the Popperian sense absent observers observing systems, so you are still left with explaining the nondeterminic behaviors observed in quantum mechanical measurement.
A consequence of assuming the observer is an eigenstate of the universe, which we most certainly are not, else we couldn't observe anything. I don't think Popper knew a whole lot of quantum, but surely he wouldn't have expected us to be a constant of the motion. :-)
"I misinterpreted your prior statement."
And I apologize that I let that bother me.
""Science" doesn't "prefer" to do anything. It's a descriptive word, not a person. Perhaps much of the alleged problem has to do with attempts to anthropomorphize an entire discipline into some sort of political interest group -- which in many cases it is."
You're right that should have read "scientists"
"If there's a "hostility" toward science, I suspect it's not really toward "science" per se, but rather a class of scientists who rub people the wrong way by relegating non-scientists to the lower echelons of humanity."
We need to get back to that state - there will always be that type of scientist and non-scientists probably should be wary of them.
But right now, I think we have a broader problem.
" Thanks for discussing this with me and helping me take baby steps in thinking through this idea."
That's why I love this place - smart people to talk to.
"I know but this in reality is a very small issue and the implication by academia is that intelligent design somehow stifles "science". Now I say if social science is taught as "science" then certainly we can teach intelligent design."
In fairness to scientists, historians and economists also don;t like it when they are told to teach things they think are not indicated by evidence.
Yes.
"Not my problem. Physical laws are stare decissis"
That means defined and decided.
Maybe they are defined and decided by God but man is still working on them. We don't have general agreement on how many dimensions it takes to define the universe much less a theory to explain them.
"Current physics says the continued operation of the earth is deterministic and runs according to laws we've already determined. If you want some exterior intervention, you need to say why certain of those laws were modified or ceased to operate."
1. It is not deterministic because that would not account for chaos effects.
2. My statement is simply that science cannot exclude the existence of of a higher power guiding things. You seem to think I said I can prove there is a higher power and that is not at all what I said
A larger point is that by making statements that are false that the universe is deterministic and that God is excluded then you are, rather ironically, making the same mistake of giving up that ID people are prone to make and also playing into their hands strategically - just like them you seek to cast this as science versus religion when there is no conflict for reasonable, logical men.
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