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Is US becoming hostile to science?
Reuters ^ | 10/28/5 | Alan Elsner

Posted on 10/28/2005 3:29:36 PM PDT by Crackingham

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1 posted on 10/28/2005 3:29:36 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

When you don't know, you don't know. Teach both sides, the truth will someday be known.


2 posted on 10/28/2005 3:33:01 PM PDT by wvobiwan (Liberal Slogan: "News maganizes don't kill people, Muslims do." - Ann Coulter)
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"When you don't know, you don't know. Teach both sides, the truth will someday be known"

If you don't require any evidence to teach something then there are not two sides but thousands.

That's why science prefers teach the stuff that's backed up by evidence.


3 posted on 10/28/2005 3:36:47 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: wvobiwan

"When you don't know, you don't know. Teach both sides, the truth will someday be known"

If you don't require any evidence to teach something then there are not two sides but thousands.

That's why science prefers teach the stuff that's backed up by evidence.


4 posted on 10/28/2005 3:36:50 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: Crackingham

I don't know about the US, but government schools are certainly hostile to science, indeed to education and children altogether.


5 posted on 10/28/2005 3:39:47 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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"It is alienating young people from science. It basically tells them that the scientific community is not to be trusted and you would have to abandon your principles of faith to become a scientist, which is not at all true," he said.

"alienating young people from science..." - You mean the way "evolution" has been alienating people of faith for many years now?


6 posted on 10/28/2005 3:41:20 PM PDT by ryan71
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Is US becoming hostile to science?

No.

7 posted on 10/28/2005 3:43:09 PM PDT by KMJames
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Is the US becoming hostile to science???

Not at all, it IS however, HOSTILE towards the Christian faith.


8 posted on 10/28/2005 3:43:45 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ryan71

So basically that is a "yes" evangelical conservatives or anybody else who insists, despite evidence to the contrary, the bible is literally word for word true must become hostile to science.


But it does not help for science to become hostile back. Scientists need to recognize the combination of sincerity and fear behind the anti-science movement and act appropriately - by stressing that science doesn't claim to know how life originated and that nothing in science exclude the possibility of intelligent design.

On the other hand you don't compromise on know facts like the earth being billions of years old and more complex life evolving from simpler life.


9 posted on 10/28/2005 3:46:14 PM PDT by gondramB
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You want to teach me there's no God!

And that it's OK to put a fetus in a blender to further your "experiments"!!

And that we should kill, innocent, defenseless people because they are inconvenient!!!

And then call me anti-science???

Then by all means, CALL ME ANTI-SCIENCE!
10 posted on 10/28/2005 3:48:10 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers,

Exactly. So when will what masqurades as science lay down its ideological dogma and engage in informed exchange ?

They are scared to death of dissent which is not the trait of a group with truth on their side.
11 posted on 10/28/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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But it does not help for science to become hostile back. Scientists need to recognize the combination of sincerity and fear behind the anti-science movement and act appropriately - by stressing that science doesn't claim to know how life originated and that nothing in science exclude the possibility of intelligent design.

Sure it does. Genomic evidence strongly supports common descent, and shows features that are hard to reconcile with design, intelligent, or otherwise.

Science is also discovering more and more about how life originated.

12 posted on 10/28/2005 3:49:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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"You want to teach me there's no God!"

That's another source of the anti-science sentiment - ignorance about science - attacking things that science doesn't say and yet blaming science.


13 posted on 10/28/2005 3:50:24 PM PDT by gondramB
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When you don't know, you don't know. Teach both sides, the truth will someday be known.

Can't say I agree with you on this. The question "Where did we come from?" is right up there with "What happens to us when we die?". Any conversations that explore the realm of the spiritual are more appropriate in a philosophy class, not in the public school science classroom.

I see nothing wrong with a science teacher admitting that there are some things we just don't know for sure. And as a Christian, I'm comfortable knowing that while science can't explain everything, it will certainly all be revealed in the next life!!
14 posted on 10/28/2005 3:50:56 PM PDT by Nathan Jr.
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To: Crackingham

Nothing evolves like Evolution.

It became a science how? By designing experiments that are repeatable? You don't have to believe in ID in order to have deep suspicions about the TOE.


15 posted on 10/28/2005 3:51:27 PM PDT by BlueYonder
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When the two best things the US had going in the general area of science, the Apollo program and the Supercollider, were killed off in one generation, it was obvious that the US was, sooner rather than later, no longer to lead the world in science.


16 posted on 10/28/2005 3:51:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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***That's another source of the anti-science sentiment - ignorance about science - attacking things that science doesn't say and yet blaming science.***


Since when does "science" say anything?

Having said that, there is no shortage of prominent scientists who us their public platform to mock the very idea of God.
17 posted on 10/28/2005 3:53:52 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Right Wing Professor

"Sure it does. Genomic evidence strongly supports common descent, and shows features that are hard to reconcile with design, intelligent, or otherwise.

Science is also discovering more and more about how life originated."

Science has not proved where the very first life came from.

How does common decent (shared common ancestors), which is a fact, eliminate the possibility of the process being guided somehow?


18 posted on 10/28/2005 3:54:23 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: PetroniusMaximus

" Having said that, there is no shortage of prominent scientists who us their public platform to mock the very idea of God."

They are entitled to mock or not mock but they cannot say they have proved there is no God.


19 posted on 10/28/2005 3:55:35 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: gondramB
Science has not proved where the very first life came from.

Science doesn't deal in proof, it deals in evidence.

How does common decent (shared common ancestors), which is a fact, eliminate the possibility of the process being guided somehow?

Guided how? Which physical law would you like to suspend?

20 posted on 10/28/2005 3:56:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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