Posted on 10/28/2005 2:11:25 PM PDT by Crackingham
The word of God doesn't offend me. Folks who believe that the fact they can quote him verbatim makes them superior to other believers do.
And you miss the point. You are so doctrinair that you exclude anything not based in doctrine. Except, of course, for your hate. No, I correct myself. You use your doctrine to justify your hate. What else could explain your use of words like "butt buddy" and other slurs you've used in this thread. All the doctrine and scripture in the world won't help you show someone the way to enlightment when you wear your hate for the sinners on your sleeve. You are a hate-filled, vitriolic person who uses scripture as an excuse to spread your hate. Your hate condemns you more than the homosexuals acts do him. And apparently you're in the same boat, because you refuse to repent, too.
"What else could explain your use of words like "butt buddy" and other slurs you've used in this thread. "
Its sad that you have to lie like a child who can not get his way. Show me where I used the term "butt buddy"?
You do not surprise me, I feel sorry for you.
Apparently it does, as you refuse to apply it to life, you refuse to accept it's authority, and you call it a "crutch", instead opting for man-centered "logic".
It is a tool, it is our guide, it is our command, if studying it and applying it's precepts to your life seem to think that makes people "superior", then the problem lies with you, sir, and not the Bible or anyone correcting you.
I do not feel "superior" in applying Biblical precepts to life, in fact I feel quite blessed. If you spent some time in scripture, embracing it's Truths perhaps you'd feel the same way too.
Boy, you sure do love that word "hate", don't you?
Does the Truth offend you so much that you refer to it as "hate"?
The fact that you think applying Biblical precepts is "hateful" tells me more about the status of your salvation than anything else you could possibly say.
Scripture is black and white, and it is absolute in it's authority. Hot or Cold, sir - no place for lukewarmth.
Apologies, it wasn't you, just one of your clones (pageonetoo) that used "butt buddy", and you agree with just about everything he says. Sorry for the confusion, but given the circumstances is certainly understandable. YOU use "homo" regularly, compare him to a satanist, and otherwise spread your hate-filled vitriol at posts #22, 27, 37, 44, 49, 277, 278, 281.
You unjustly call me a liar (as opposed to simply mistaken as admitted above), attack me for not using my brain, and compare me with a 3-year-old simply because I disagree with you. Further, you deliberately mischaracterize to others what I've written - THAT is a lie, liar. As is your claim that I'm a 'closet liberal'. Have you asked for forgiveness for those whoppers? How do you hate THOSE sins?
All the scripture in the world won't convert a single soul if you can't even get your point across without attacking people.
Show me one post where you've been less than arrogantly defensive to anyone who has disagreed with you in any way.
Lets not even talk about your inability to delineate between a reasoned opinion backed up by facts and examples from an emotional argument. Methinks the only emotion you're familiar with is anger born of hate.
Reread this guy's posts on this thread. If you don't see hate, you must be filled with it too. It's not about 'truth', it's about how it treats people.
I think you're just frail and thin-skinned. A man who can't handle the truth of God's word, so resorts to being "offended" by it's exposition to you.
I have read sasafras' posts, and it shows to me a faithful, truthful, and unashamed knowledge of scripture and it's applications in daily life. Especially as it relates to the mortification of sin - something the liberal "spiritualists" have issues with. The Truth is offensive to those who do not submit to God's will.
On the day of Pentecost, three thousand souls were saved because of the strict and straightforward preaching by Peter. He, in essence, called the audience a bunch of murderers. He certainly didn't pull any punches for fear of "offending" anyone. As the saying goes, "the truth hurts". But when God's Word is spoken in spirit and truth, it will accomplish what He purposes.
Isaiah 55:11
"so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it."
Thanks for your post - I whole heartedly agree with what you said - the truth is offensive to those who do not want to submit to God's will.
Romans 8:5-8
"Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God."
Your last post really made me laugh. I can imagine you sitting at your keyboard full of hate and your face turning red with anger. Time to take a deep breath and settle down before you blow a blood vessel.
Your accusation of me as a liar is particularly funny - it reminds me of the guy that Laura Ingrham plays on her show that says "liars, creepy liars". Your emotion gets the best of you it is just like other liberals who I have known who resort to emotion to try to win the debate.
Scripture is not going to change - if you are relying on your misinformed knowledge of scripture to debate here then you are going to lose everytime.
Suit yourself. If you think equating your everyday sinner with a Satanist is 'truthful', then you've cast your lot with him and are satisfied. I hold a different opinion.
Your imagination overcomes what little rational thinking you are capable of.
You still haven't refuted the elements over which I acuse you of lying, have you? Have you repented them, yet?
All sin is offensive to God, whether it's lying or murder - that's not the issue at hand, nor was it (I believe) his intent to say otherwise.
The point here is that yes, all of us sin. However, the saved Christian grieves when he sins and repents of it. He makes it his life's work to mortify his sin and walk purely and humbly before the Lord of Lords.
The unrepentant sodomite "worshipper" does not. He demands acceptance of his sin, he does not condemn it. He celebrates it as a "lifestyle", rather than the abomination that it is.
I can't think of any article that I've read recently where an avowed satanist, adulterer, liar or murderer has desired church membership and demanded acceptance and pride of his sin.
Do you see the difference? It is not in the nature of the sin, but how the sinner deals with it that counts.
Methodist High Court Sides with Pastor Who Denied Membership to Practicing Gay Man
And yet, I'm still not convinced the hate-filled diatribes I've seen on this thread follow either the spirit or the letter of the scriptures they use in my faith. Did the Methodist high court justify comparing your average sinner with satanists, for example? Did they justify lying about what others have said or written?
By the way, it doesn't justify the legitimate 'Christian' position. It justifies the legitimate Methodist position. Surely you're not claiming the Methodist hierarchy speaks for all Christians, now, are you?
The legitimate Christian position does not need justification -that is the point you miss. That which God divinely revealed is the legitimate Christian position which was conveyed to you repeatedly... As I stated, the outcome simply reinforces the legitimate Christian position... I thought this might perhaps allow you to set aside your error and finally "get it" -apparently I was incorrect.
Becoming a church member means that you accept the tenants of faith that the church proclaims. A church member votes on leadership, bugeting, etc. People who don't agree to the tenants of faith (in this case, the Bible states that homosexuality is a sin and must be repented of) are not eligible for church membership. They may attend church and worship but they cannot vote or be elected to leadership positions.
That being said, everyone sins. The difference is, are you repentent and asking God to change you from within? Acknowledging your sin before God and man is a requirement. Once that is done, forgiveness is available to everyone, no matter the sin they repent of.
The church body is to be protected. God is Holy whether people like it or not. If God wasn't holy, we wouldn't have needed Jesus in the first place.
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