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The Methamphetamine Epidemic -- Less Than Meets the Eye
Drug War Chronicle ^ | August 5, 2005 | Drug War Chronicle

Posted on 10/25/2005 10:10:26 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: HamiltonJay

No. My nephew and my brother are the victims. My nephew is in foster care because of his loser mom. My brother doesn't have custody thanks to leftist agendas that give more money to state agencies based on how many kids they have in foster care.


121 posted on 10/25/2005 12:02:21 PM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

"Nick Greene "

Good man died fighting this crap.

Yet we have to listen to other tell us there is nothing to gain by fighting it...and by fighting it we make it worse.

What kind of taliban crap is that.


122 posted on 10/25/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I am NOT clicking that.... 'cause I know what it looks like! YUCK!! Meth does not promote good hygeine.


123 posted on 10/25/2005 12:05:04 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: mosquitobite

I think anyone who tests positive for meth should be kept away from children- I say this from expierence. Meth addicts are prone to sudden violent outbursts- not really someone you want around children. My two daughters ended up fleeing with two small children in tow from my SIL's meth rage. Before he was on meth and since he got off it, he was and is the nicest, kindest man- never raised his voice or hand to anyone before the day he snapped. CPS workers know of the meth rages and that is why they are careful about allowing children around a known user.


124 posted on 10/25/2005 12:06:46 PM PDT by Tammy8 (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON)
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To: Explodo
It is simply not a solution to do nothing.

I agree with you on this. I don't disagree on the nature of the solution. I don't think there is one.

I'm not buying it. My FIRST HAND experience tells me the statistics are not telling the story...this is not a west coast or East coast issue...it's the fly over country that's taking the hit this time...What do you think the stats would say if we just did the same analysis on Midwestern States?

I'm telling you, Meth has completely taken over the farm belt. If your from this part of the country show me how I'm wrong...

As a small town downstate Illinoisan, my first hand experience is nonexistent. I have never met a meth user. If I have ever seen one I didn't really notice him. The only real meth related problems around here are the exploding drug labs. The way to get rid of those is to legalize the stuff.

125 posted on 10/25/2005 12:07:42 PM PDT by JTN
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To: mosquitobite

Is your brother living with the mother? A family moved in down the block a few years ago here. They got the house through elderly relatives.
Since then:
The father's meth dealer was arrested leaving the house on a delivery:
The mom left a 5-year-old for a month with the father.
A neighbor saw, through a purposefully left open window, the father with the son watching porn night after night;
Two times the 5 year old went knocking on a neighbor’s door after midnight saying no one was home.
(The dad came home just in time to take the son back &
The family was afraid to call child protection on him.)
The dad phone-sex harrased a woman which was taped by the cops (The son is on the tape asking for juice.);
The dad was indicted by the DA for contracting without a license.
(A person paid up front, the roof was removed.
This caused extensive damage during a rainstorm.*
The father in question lost the family home for not keeping up house payments;
The father's in jail on the harrassment with the fraud as the next case and identity theft of his brother as well;
The mother lives with a girlfriend and the kid, although, 6, is a sociopathic liar just like his dad.
Neighbors say the mother drinks and takes drugs too.
One neighbor said this boy was over there playing with her kids all the time looking for food.
A relative of the dad has the boy now.
Imagine if one of their drug dealers came to kill them, like what happened to that Ohio couple. They were killed with their older son and the younger kids were taken abused and the boy killed.
The boy from our block is very street smart and manipulative.
Unless something is intensely done to address his his lying behavior, the young boy has a criminal future. He's going to find his own prey as well.

Sorry it’s so long. In this case I’m glad they are off my block. The police are not pursuing anything about the child who is with the father’s brother’s family. They are not giving custody to the mom because she has no permanent home. She’ quite a viscious person, who confronted the phone harrassed women with sceaming explitives in public.

Questions for your family: Why didn’t you brother know what she was doing while pregnant? I’m sorry to sound so harsh. Taking illegal drugs exposes everyone connected with very dangerous people & behavior. I pray your family be reunited for the best interset of your nephew.

(I have post and go. I'll look back later tonight.)


126 posted on 10/25/2005 12:09:15 PM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: JTN

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

IMO, twe have to fight meth the same way we fight terrorists.


127 posted on 10/25/2005 12:09:33 PM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Ummm Yes it is a growing problem....In America.

When I was in HS '75 it was very rare, now in
HS, it is everywhere.

I also have a Brother who says most of the theft
and burglary is to support meth users.

So don't believe this article, Junk. Amazing how
the use can go down, but meth re-hab has gone up?
128 posted on 10/25/2005 12:09:58 PM PDT by Coffee_drinker (Since Bush became president, the taliban are gone, saddam is gone, Khadaffi is neutered, arafat died)
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To: Explodo; coloradan

"In my above story...The Guy who shot my Cop buddy in the brain...was a decorated Fireman."


The fact that an decorated fireman felt the need to do meth alone tells me something wasn't right with this guy in the first place.

He must have had mental troubles before and tried to "self-medicate" with illegal drugs.


129 posted on 10/25/2005 12:10:38 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: Tammy8
...all the crime and other problems meth causes.

Hard-core tweakers don't work, but the drug costs money. Most of them steal property or forge checks to keep themselves going, and it's almost like a competition to see who can make the biggest scores. They teach each other scams. One woman I know held a Tupperware party, took orders for items, then used the buyers' credit card numbers to go on a spree.

130 posted on 10/25/2005 12:11:05 PM PDT by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: JTN

"And as with any drug there will always be people who want it."





Simple Supply and demand.

Capitalism without a conscience at it's worst.


131 posted on 10/25/2005 12:14:41 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: AmericaUnite

My brother is not with the mother of my nephew. He had visitation with his son, and like I said we had no idea she was abusing. The kid is normal and healthy. She would let us see my nephew whenever we wanted. She lives 80miles from our family. The baby is hers with a new man (also a meth user).


132 posted on 10/25/2005 12:15:03 PM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: saleman

"Uh, sorry. Methamphetamine has been around a long time."

I remember something about Hilter's vaulted SS being hopped up on Methamphetamines at Stalingrad.

While they couldn't get food and ammo shipments in, they damned sure the amph got there and in large supply.

Also saw on History Channel that Hiler was a tweaker too.


133 posted on 10/25/2005 12:18:48 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: saleman

"Uh, sorry. Methamphetamine has been around a long time."

I remember something about Hilter's vaulted SS being hopped up on Methamphetamines at Stalingrad.

While they couldn't get food and ammo shipments in, they damned sure the amph got there and in large supply.

Also saw on History Channel that Hilter was a tweaker too.


134 posted on 10/25/2005 12:19:11 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: durasell
Okay, that's just silly because it implies all prohibitions against substances and behavior are equally bad just because they are prohibited.

Straw man. I'm not arguing that all prohibitions are equally (in)valid. But, you seem incapable of distinguishing the harms of a drug from the harms of its prohibition, and there are plenty of on-topic examples from Prohibition, e.g. shooting law officers.

Murderers cause objective harm, depriving another of life, and therefore the costs of prohibiting that particular behavior are worth it. But this case is a lot harder to make for prohibiting suicide - or for doing drugs, which might just be a slow form of suicide. The other bad things that druggies do, e.g. theft, violent crime, are also and are independently illegal, and can remain so without influencing the discussion about whether the costs of drug prohibition are worth it. In fact, one of the costs of drug prohibition is that violent criminals are released from prison early, to make room for nonviolent drug criminals, with mandatory minimum sentences. I don't know about you, but I think that's simply disastrous policy.

135 posted on 10/25/2005 12:20:03 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Explodo

>>>I'm not buying it...nor will I take bullsh*t personal attacks from a person not willing to honestly approach the problem.>>>

Waaaahhhhhh

When have I personally attacked you? I haven't, but you are at the victimization bit, so I figured it wouldn't be long before you drew on that one.

Not honestly approach the problem? How, what do you suggest then?


136 posted on 10/25/2005 12:22:46 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: TChris
He wasn't kidding in regards to the addictive nature of meth.

Meth screws with the brains dopamine production and uptake. A long-term meth addict is literally incapable of feeling happy anymore without meth.

This makes it very hard to clean up. If a 1-2 year meth user tries to quit, they may have to go several years before their brain starts producing and regulating dopamine properly.

Imagine spending a year incapable of feeling happy.

Dopamine re-uptake inhibitors like Wellbutrin (sp?) can help in some cases.

A 10 year meth addict is almost a loss. Their brain will never produce dopamine naturally again.

Brian damage from meth use is also pretty rampant. Not just from the meth itself, but also from the industrial chemicals used to cook it up. Even for new users, brain damage can set in fast if they get a bad mix. Snorting acetone is never good for a person......
137 posted on 10/25/2005 12:23:59 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: sandbar
Like Legalizing everything is a solution...

I'm sure that Legalizing Sex with Children will stop all sex with children...

Given your logic that's the case right?


Choosing not to address the issue only makes it worse...Sitting back and walking through the prohibition argument does nothing. That isn't going to happen...no matter what logic you try to attach to it. There are simply some items and activities that are socially and morally wrong. And making them legal will not make them go away.

The Nick Green Law in Oklahoma seems to be an effective method of suppressing the stuff...As does "Faces of MEth" campaign.
138 posted on 10/25/2005 12:28:41 PM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: NormB

"I would love to see her teeth!"


Look for them in the street.

She's lost them all


( very sunken cheekbones is a clue)


139 posted on 10/25/2005 12:33:57 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: ßuddaßudd

>>>I moved to CA with 9 other folks from the EastCoast, all but 3 of us fell victim to Meth.>>>

Fell victim to? So did it jump out of bushes at them and force itself into their bloodstream or did they fall into one of the 'meth holes' that are rampant in California?


140 posted on 10/25/2005 12:37:09 PM PDT by sandbar
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