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Police Say Lawyer's Wife (Pamela Vitale) Was Also Stabbed
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 | Demian Bulwa and Leslie Fulbright

Posted on 10/25/2005 5:07:02 AM PDT by smartin

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To: babaloo
LOLOL..I am so old I'm not even sure what this gothic stuff is all about.

Waaaaayyyyyy before my time.

No one even wore blue jeans in my day. Ladies didn't even wear slacks.

41 posted on 10/25/2005 6:17:58 AM PDT by OldFriend (David Gelernter ~ American Patriot)
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To: kittymyrib

No, they probably won't mind.


42 posted on 10/25/2005 6:19:21 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: kittymyrib
[But since Californians love those lefties on the Court, I'm sure they won't mind.]

For sure when he appears in Court his 'gothic' will be only a memory. .

. . ..and 'yes', the 'reap/sow' crowd does not really 'get' the 'reap/sow' message.

43 posted on 10/25/2005 6:21:43 AM PDT by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: smartin

The kid wore gloves?? There is definately more to this story.


44 posted on 10/25/2005 6:22:22 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: cricket

He could write books about Goth home decor as shown by the following example:

There's even a new book about Gothic home decor: "Paint It Black: A Guide to Gothic Homemaking" (Weiser Books 2005).

New York City author Voltaire says he wrote it because he was frustrated with shopping for home goods "looking for Edward Gorey and being surrounded by Eddie Bauer."

In his book, Voltaire uses tongue-in-cheek humor to explain Goth subculture and give practical decorating tips on how to make any room look dramatic, romantic, and eerie. (For the record, he discourages readers from painting walls black; instead he recommends more romantic hues, such as Benjamin Moore's Exotic Red.)


45 posted on 10/25/2005 6:22:58 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: bonfire

Probably is more to the story.


46 posted on 10/25/2005 6:23:45 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: OldFriend
[No one even wore blue jeans in my day. Ladies didn't even wear slacks.]

You may not be sooooo old. . .took a l o n g time for the 'ladies' to catch up with Kathryn Hepburn.

47 posted on 10/25/2005 6:25:28 AM PDT by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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48 posted on 10/25/2005 6:26:04 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: cricket

In my town, they work at TJMaxx.


49 posted on 10/25/2005 6:26:25 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: smartin

This kid either PLANNED attacking her (gloves, knife, wood) or they've got the wrong dude.


50 posted on 10/25/2005 6:27:49 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: smartin
He could write books about Goth home decor as shown by the following example: There's even a new book about Gothic home decor: "Paint It Black: A Guide to Gothic Homemaking" (Weiser Books 2005). [New York City author Voltaire says he wrote it because he was frustrated with shopping for home goods "looking for Edward Gorey and being surrounded by Eddie Bauer."

In his book, Voltaire uses tongue-in-cheek humor to explain Goth subculture and give practical decorating tips on how to make any room look dramatic, romantic, and eerie. (For the record, he discourages readers from painting walls black; instead he recommends more romantic hues, such as Benjamin Moore's Exotic Red.)]

OMGLOL. . .thanks for the update. . .had no idea they were coming into their 'own' so to speak.

51 posted on 10/25/2005 6:28:31 AM PDT by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: bonfire

I think he went up there looking for his equipment or else.


52 posted on 10/25/2005 6:29:36 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: cricket

This Voltaire guy was even interviewed on one of the news tabloid shows. Very strange.


53 posted on 10/25/2005 6:30:42 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: smartin

I sure hope we hear more about what really happened because for me, this whole thing doesn't add up.


54 posted on 10/25/2005 6:36:58 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire

I do hope we learn more. But it might just be a rage killing because he suspected Vitale was withholding his equipment and lying to him when she said she didn't have it.


55 posted on 10/25/2005 6:40:19 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: cricket

In the small town where we lived in the mid 70's we didn't even go into town unless we had a dress on, or skirt and blouse.


56 posted on 10/25/2005 6:44:12 AM PDT by OldFriend (David Gelernter ~ American Patriot)
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To: cricket
And does anyone know what becomes of a 'gothic' post high school. . .where do they go? WHAT do they do? Give it up and move on. . .or is there the next level of 'gothic'.

I imagine they go on to the next level which is DU and/or MoveOn.

I don't know whatever happened to him. He just wasn't there anymore - may have had a heatstroke. :o) Sometimes little kids on bikes would follow him at a distance just to look at him I think. I saw him once stop and turn to look at them and the kids hit their brakes. He was pretty spooky looking. Between the kids and myself watching him - he got the attention he was seeking. Funny how with some people - negative attention is better than no attention.

I've seen a large group of high school age gothics at a fair and I look at multiple piercings, strange hair, etc. and I wonder...where are your parents FGS!

57 posted on 10/25/2005 6:48:08 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: CobaltBlue
Why was the perp's marijuana growing equipment at the Horowitz house?

He bought it with stolen credit cards and had it sent to an address other than his own so he wouldn't be tracked...or at least that's the assumptive logic. Pretty common for teens (or anyone for that matter) with stolen cards to do this.

58 posted on 10/25/2005 6:48:08 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
His goth- satanic connection comes through in the fact that he struck her 39 times.

How do they know how many times she was struck? Did the guy confess to her killing? Did he confess to actually hitting her 30+ times? And if he didn't, how is it that the police/investigators can tell that she was hit that many times?

59 posted on 10/25/2005 6:51:53 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: Mean Maryjean

The coroner determined the number of strikes during autopsy.


60 posted on 10/25/2005 6:53:42 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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