Insiders see hint of Miers pullout [Rove out, Card in?]

And speaking of Life and things that are not interstate commerce...

Another thing that is not interstate commerce is killing yourself. I'm not a fan of abortion or assisted suicide, but I recognize that neither one is interstate commerce.

Okay. In your interpretation, you have a technical point that favors your argument. Fine.

My bone of contention has to do with the SC decision in Roe V Wade and the eventual outcome known as, abortion on demand. Once again. There is no place in the Constitution where it says, a woman is entitled to kill the human life she carries within her womb during the period of her pregnancy. Anything associated with that conclusion, fully pertains to the medical procedure called, partial birth abortion.

You may be goverened by the Federalist Papers. I am not. The Federalist Papers were originally written in response to the Anti Federalist Papers, as to explain to NYState voters what the "new" Constitution was all about. If the Federalist Papers are that important, why weren't they incorporated into the Constitution? They're not mentioned once. Not even as a footnote.

It's a shame that so many Americans have such little respect for the Constitution, but its far more damning that so many Americans have such little respect for human life.

>>>> .... they would have known which government to go to for such matters: the State government. Not the feds, who are only around so we can get along with each other in trade relationships and defend each other if necessary.

Let's get back to the real world for a minute. The federal govt through the SCOTUS, determined that abortion on demand is a legal right under the Cosntitution. I say that is abusing the Constitution and for good reason. Should RvW be overturned, the abortion issue will return to the states. The next step is for the federal govt to outlaw abortion, period. That is my entire point. You can't have government condoning killing of human life outside of a defensive actions, AKA. "war".

Again. One purpose of the federal government is to assure that the lives of Americans are protected from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. In domestic terms, pro-choicers are an enemy of human life in America, just as much as AlQaeda is an enemy of human life in America.

You may be goverened by the Federalist Papers. I am not.

I'm not governed by them. I just think that, since they were written by the Founders for the purpose of explaining the Constitution, they're a pretty good reference for determining (this seems too obvious) what the Founders meant by the Constitution.

But if you don't like them, fine. Have you got some other reference to help support the idea that a partial birth abortion is interstate commerce?

Again. One purpose of the federal government is to assure that the lives of Americans are protected from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. In domestic terms, pro-choicers are an enemy of human life in America, just as much as AlQaeda is an enemy of human life in America.

I don't put pro choicers in the same category as terrorists as far as the danger they present to society, but the crime in question, if we make it a crime, is murder. Murder is almost always a State crime, not a federal one. Congress has no power to set State policies on this matter. The feds shouldn't be telling the states through Roe to keep abortion legal, and they shouldn't be telling them to make it illegal either. They should just shut the hell up and try to make our markets work smoothly and our enemies afraid.

Meirs refused to join the Federalist society.

Federalist Society VP endorces Miers;

Leonard Leo:

I have worked closely with Harriet in the past and I am very excited about the president’s pick of my friend. As White House Counsel, she has helped carry out the President’s promise to find and select judicial nominees such as John Roberts who will interpret the law rather than make it up. She played a key role in the Roberts selection process, and was a strong advocate for breaking the filibusters in relation to Judges Priscilla Owen, William Pryor, and Janice Brown, among others.

Her judicial philosophy is summed up in the statement she made this morning accepting the nomination:

“It is the responsibility of every generation to be true to the founders' vision of the proper role of the courts and our society. If confirmed, I recognize that I will have a tremendous responsibility to keep our judicial system strong and to help ensure that the courts meet their obligations to strictly apply the laws and the constitution.”

About Miers and the Federalist Society, the Federalist Society VP said this;

Leonard Leo:

participation in activities of the Federalist Society

That's my underline.

Link

Federalist Society co-chairman Bork is less enthusiastic.

Federalist Society co-chairman Bork is less enthusiastic.

Certainly everybody in the Federalist Society doesn't have the same opionion of Miers. It's important to note that the number two guy, Leonard A. Leo endorced Miers and it's important to note that Leo did say that Miers has participated in Federalist Society activities.

BTW, I believe Borks full title at the Federalist Society is "Co-Chairman, Board of Visitors".

Also BTW, Bork is not always right. For instance, his opinion on the 2A doesn't make me enthusiastic.

Also BTW, Bork is not always right. For instance, his opinion on the 2A doesn't make me enthusiastic.

I couldn't agree more with you there. I was rather disappointed to learn during Roberts' nomination hearings that he was unaware of the current status of the conflict between the circuits on the 2nd. You'd think he would have at least checked up on the issue in preparation for the hearings, but I guess he is just personally and professionally indifferent to the 2nd.

We can hope Miers has more interest, but I haven't seen evidence of that.

As bad as he is on A2, Bork is correct and he has been quoted out of context on Articles IX and X.

>>>>I don't put pro choicers in the same category as terrorists as far as the danger they present to society ...

You see, that's your problem right there. 45 million human lives have been snuffed out through the abortion procedure since Roe V Wade took effect. 95% of those abortions were based strictly on personal reasons outside of rape, incest or the health/life of the mother. Its quite obvious, you place the Constitution above the right to life for all human lives. That is both sad and pathetic.

I've made every effort to convey to you that abortion on demand as presented under Roe v Wade is unconstitutional. That includes PBA. Again. The Founders original intent did not include allowing a future SC to interpret the Constitution to grant a right to kill the unborn. The Founders would never have supported abortion on demand. Period.

When it comes this right to life issue, the federal government should be telling everyone that abortion on demand is destructive to our civlized society.

Ronald Reagan wrote an essay back in the 1980`s that was later turned into a book. It was called, "Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation" and it speaks to the abortion issue better then anything written in the last 32 years. Here's the closing paragraph.

"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning."

I believe we probably agree on most issues as they relate to the Constitution. The issue of abortion is an extraordinary issue and one that requires people to look deep within themselves and have respect for human life.

I've made every effort to convey to you that abortion on demand as presented under Roe v Wade is unconstitutional.

Don't work too hard! I've agreed to that since the beginning.

When it comes this right to life issue, the federal government should be telling everyone that abortion on demand is destructive to our civlized society.

I'm wishy-washy on that particular issue. Some days you could convince me you're right, others not.

HOWEVER, there is one thing I'm not wishy-washy about, and it's the Constitution. If the Congress is going to pass the law you propose, they must have the authority to do so under the Constitution. For your convenience, here is Article 1, Section 8 in its entirety. This is the ONLY place where the powers of Congress can be found. Please find for me the authority to pass the law you would like to see.

If you can't find it, you should not be looking to pass a LAW. You should be looking to pass a Constitutional Amendment. That's how to respect the rule of law in this issue.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

>>>>I'm wishy-washy on that particular issue.

I know, you're wishy washy on abortion. Already pointed that out several times.

>>>>HOWEVER, there is one thing I'm not wishy-washy about, and it's the Constitution.

I pointed that out several times too. As I said early on to you, if you don't respect human life, the Constitution means nothing. My guess is your a libertarian.

>>>>For your convenience, here is Article 1, Section 8 in its entirety.

I know it very well and I respect it. But I don't place it above the right to life for all human life, as you do.