Posted on 10/22/2005 2:36:07 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
The big duck is that you won't denounce ID. If someone were to ask me if I supported teaching school kids in the science class that God may be dead, I would say a big NO.
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The record shows that you have been engaged in several discussion with other posters over ID. In each case there may not have been overt support for ID but in each there was implied support and acceptance of ID and NEVER any criticism of ID. Now, given the facts, you are reluctant still to criticize ID. Why?
Why can't you just come out and say you cannot support any movement that requires that school children be taught that God may be dead?
Are you so simpleminded that you are unaware you just demonstrated my point?
Be careful the behavior you attribute to others in pursiut of an ideal, they may come for you next, and people like me won't be there to save your sorry ass.
Is it really that big of a problem for them?
Are you so simpleminded that you are unaware you just demonstrated my point? Be careful the behavior you attribute to others in pursiut of an ideal, they may come for you next, and people like me won't be there to save your sorry ass.
I take that to mean you won't denounce ID, evolution, that God may be dead and the teaching of same to the school children using your tax dollars.
Believe whatever you want. I've got better things to do than continue this nonsense....
Nonsense? Wow. Please tell that to your chums in church tomorrow. They will be proud of how you stood up for the right of a bunch of evolutionists (ID) to require teaching that God may be dead.
The language that this discussion has generated is another place where the misguided attacks on evolution is damaging to Christianity.
By definition God is the "supernatural". An entity that is not a part of the natural world. But by lumping Christianity into the "supernatural", it joins ESP, tarot cards, Voodoo, and all other discredited faiths.
The more Christians attack evolution, the more they shoot themselves in the foot.
bttt for later this morning. :-)
But on January 1, 2000, it became uncool.
Get some rest.
I agree.
These yahoos are loud enough, and sufficiently willing to bask in the media attention, to become the public face of conservatism.
So now conservatives are increasingly becoming seen as being against academic standards and in favor of replacing hard science with touchy-feely nonsense. The world has truly gone mad.
The creationist/ID alledged attacks (or alledged controversy) would be like someone who understands English only trying to critique Russian literature. You just can get there from here. Then when you point out that they basically aren't qualified (i.e. fluent in the language) they claim censorship or harrasment against their views. Even though those views are essentially nonsense because they cannot speak the language!
An that would be like putting a French linguist in charge of Russian Literature Studies.
Your analogy is inept. Whenever a given entity (in this instance, education, therefore science education) is surrendered to government financing, control will follow the financing. A governing board, elected either directly or indirectly by the people, will be put in authority. It is this board which will decide whether or not to put a French linguist in charge of Russian Literature Studies. The issue could present itself not as a choice of who to put in charge so much as a question of standards.
A more direct and definitive solution to this problem should present itself to mind. If you want politics left out of a particular issue, then leave the issue out of politics. Otherwise . . . what do you think will happen?
Not strong enough. It would be as if the new appointee not only didn't speak Russian, but he didn't believe that a language like Russian actually exists.
The problem is that the funding source (the politicians in government) aren't qualified to judge what is science and what isn't. THat's what scientists are for. They are the ones who best suited to set the standards. Otherwise, you wind up turning Kansas into a laughing stock. Scientists there have lost most of thier credibility because of the ignorance of the school board and the stupidity they are introducing as standards. Politicians may decide things, but science isn't a democracy and the results are not determined by popular demand. THe government can come in and change things, but they will, as they are in this case, make things worse. They are stuck on stupid and are letting it out.
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