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Cornell president condemns intelligent design
©2005 Syracuse.com ^ | 10/21/2005, 12:03 p.m. ET | By WILLIAM KATES

Posted on 10/21/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Bigh4u2
I assume you have piles of questions, so fire away.
261 posted on 10/21/2005 4:36:59 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: Ichneumon
Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy.

(I'm thinking of that as a tagline.)

262 posted on 10/21/2005 4:38:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (No response to trolls, retards, or lunatics)
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To: Bigh4u2; Thatcherite
And if you have trouble understanding what Thatch says, be patient...he's British. Or ask one of us to interpret.
263 posted on 10/21/2005 4:41:48 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: PatrickHenry
Can you make something out of this?

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

Suggestion underlined.
264 posted on 10/21/2005 4:42:55 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
I guess "harsh mistress" triggered your memory. I grew up on Heinlein's books. One of the greatest American authors.

[Tagline switch]

265 posted on 10/21/2005 4:45:46 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: mlc9852
I knew some twit would come up with that.

That isn't what he said. Do you understand what a continuum is? Do you understand that the two termini are different enough to be obvious but any single point in between is not?
266 posted on 10/21/2005 4:46:15 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: mlc9852
I am confident that some day there will be proof

I feel compelled to reply to this comment but, I can't think of anything appropriate.

267 posted on 10/21/2005 4:49:00 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: mlc9852
More people believe in God than evolution

If you include the Muslims.

268 posted on 10/21/2005 4:49:01 PM PDT by WildTurkey (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: b_sharp

Believe it or not, I just got back from shopping!

And as far as 'Thatcherite', I figured that out from his screen name (fond of Margret Thatcher)

See! I'm getting smarter all the time!/sarc

Anyway. I have a question about 'natural selection'.

If a species is evolving because of environmental changes, the would natural selection just be a weeding out of the weaker part of the gene pool?

In other words. Would each generation of species the weaker ones in favor of the stronger ones?




269 posted on 10/21/2005 4:49:17 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

"Would each generation of species 'EVOLVE OUT' the weaker ones in favor of the stronger ones? "

Sorry about that!


270 posted on 10/21/2005 4:51:05 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: mlc9852

But there are so many who believe in God and yet still believe in evolution...you seem to want to believe that just because someone believes in God, he will not believe in evolution...you may want to believe it, but that will never make it true...people do believe in God and evolution at the same time, and see no conflict...you obviously do see a conflict...however, you cannot speak for others who do believe in God...right here on FR, there are those who say they believe in God and evolution at the same time...and thats just on FR...in the world at large, there are many, many more...

You seem to insinuate that since there are more who believe in God, than believe in evolution, that somehow evolution will eventually 'lose', some battle...I think you will be disappointed...


271 posted on 10/21/2005 4:53:38 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Bigh4u2
"Would each generation of species 'EVOLVE OUT' the weaker ones in favor of the stronger ones? "

The weaker ones? More like "die out" than evolve out. They're not going anywhere.

In various traits, there is a continuum from one end to the other (say, light skin to dark skin as an example). Under various conditions natural selection will nibble at one end of the range or the other, reducing the population of the end of the range that is less suited to the conditions. The survivors get to pass on their genes. The subsequent generation will be just slightly different, in the direction of better adapted.

Apply a few hundred thousands of years of time to many small, isolated populations, stir well.

272 posted on 10/21/2005 4:59:46 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Bigh4u2
If a species is evolving because of environmental changes, the would natural selection just be a weeding out of the weaker part of the gene pool?

Only in the sense that a weakness relates to the particular enviromental pressure.

273 posted on 10/21/2005 5:02:05 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Cornell grad here. Rawlings is awful but I agree with him on this.


274 posted on 10/21/2005 5:02:27 PM PDT by chet_in_ny
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To: Coyoteman

"More like "die out" than evolve out."

Yeah! That's probably the term I should have used.

But basically tho, I'm right about the stronger ones surviving which would be natural selection? Or not?

I'm not sure I'm asking this right, so bear with me.


275 posted on 10/21/2005 5:04:02 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: mlc9852; Ichneumon
Ichneumon has given you serious reasons to doubt your faith. You will no doubt ignore him, but what happens when this evolution conversation reaches a bright Christian in college and their faith is challenged in the same way? My bet is they will likely reject their faith entirely.

This is why the evolution fight is stupid for Christians to pursue. All it can do is tear the best and brightest away from the church and alienate the rest into a persecution complex cult.

The Discovery Institute is doing professional atheists a huge favor.

276 posted on 10/21/2005 5:05:50 PM PDT by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: chet_in_ny

My son is also a Cornell grad...and hes quite conservative in many matters...hes not at all the yammering leftist, contrary to what others on this thread seem to believe of all Cornell students...


277 posted on 10/21/2005 5:06:24 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: shuckmaster

"Only in the sense that a weakness relates to the particular enviromental pressure."

So the stronger ones would survive and weaker ones would die out?

And that would be the explanation of 'natural selection'?

I'm sorry if I'm asking what may seem to be dumb questions, but I usually can rationalize things better if I just repeat what I'm thinking.

Something to do with what my wife calls 'driving me nuts' syndrome!


278 posted on 10/21/2005 5:08:56 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2
I'm right about the stronger ones surviving which would be natural selection? Or not?

Lemme butt in for a moment. I think the word "stronger" is a problem, or at least potentially misleading. If a creature can survive and breed, its genes get passed on to the next generation. If not, then whatever problems it had will not get passed on. It's as simple as that. "Stronger" isn't required. Maybe faster, better eyesight, better ability to digest a changing vegetation, better ability to adapt to a drier (or wetter) climate, etc. Whatever.

Over time -- lots of time -- these tiny changes in the gene pool will accumulate, and after a great number of generations the population may be quite different from the ancestral stock.

279 posted on 10/21/2005 5:11:17 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: narby
"All it can do is tear the best and brightest away from the church and alienate the rest into a persecution complex cult."

I don't believe that's true.

I have a profound 'faith' in God, but yet see no conflict between that faith and evolution, as I understand it.

I am more that willing to learn as much about evolution as possible which may even strengthen that faith.

I don't believe faith and evolution are exclusionary of each other.
JMO
280 posted on 10/21/2005 5:15:42 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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