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Is He One of Us?
Town Hall ^ | October 21, 2005 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 10/20/2005 9:56:38 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: dangus

Does Bork believe the Second Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL right, or doesn't he?


41 posted on 10/20/2005 10:20:23 PM PDT by Petronski (The name "cyborg" to me means complete love and incredible fun. I'm filled with joy.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree. Rove must be in trouble but under the circumstances, why? Who didn't know that Valerie Plame wasn't a CIA operative, in her own neighborhood? It was common knowledge. Even obstruction.. obstruction of common knowledge? Reality check.


42 posted on 10/20/2005 10:20:55 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Chin up Jim! :-)

I don't think it's as bad as all that.

We're changing the face of the world in the middle east. This thing is going to work, and the ripples will flow out for decades.


43 posted on 10/20/2005 10:21:39 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 900 knives and counting!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; flashbunny
Back up a page, ST.

Page 166: ``the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that there is no individual right to own a firearm. The Second Amendment was designed to allow states to defend themselves against a possibly tyrannical national government. Now that the federal government has stealth bombers and nuclear weapons, it is hard to imagine what people would need to keep in the garage to serve that purpose.''

So which is it?

44 posted on 10/20/2005 10:21:55 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sigh.

I just don't know what to think.

We won't know, until we know. I have to wonder though, how much of this garbage is Senators trying to get their way when the President is down.

That garbage today in the Senate was a disgrace.

I'm out of here for the weekend, so maybe it will all look completely wonderful when I get back.

Thanks for the reply.

(Clicks Ruby Red Slippers)


45 posted on 10/20/2005 10:22:25 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: abigailsmybaby
And who would that be? McCain?

The only difference between McCain and Hillary is that Hillary is honest enough to admit that she's a Democrat.
46 posted on 10/20/2005 10:22:38 PM PDT by deaconjim (Can I be on the Supreme Court too? Can I, can I? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeze?)
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To: quidnunc
Big givernment republicans.. What the hell is that.?.
We have big givernment republicans and not a small number either.. Else how did so many big giverment republicans get elected.?.

"Republican", "conservative", "the right".. are more and more nebulous terms.. Worse most republicans are clueless to this or in denial..

Big giverment republicans seem to be democrats with family values.. there is a difference between them and that seems to wholly it.. Glad there are none of them folks on free republic.. Else the sound of boot licking would be unbearable..

(shineing fingernails)... (putting on ear muffs)

47 posted on 10/20/2005 10:23:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Ramius

You're right. I am displeased with the Congress, all the way around. It's as if we are nearly expecting to be displeased with the Democrats there (aren't we always, is my point, and for very good reasons), but with the Republicans in office, I approach them with hopes and expectations and am always, always denigrated and let down by their failed responses.

Our Republican Senators, particularly. Same with the State GOP in CA...the Party is not user friendly, does not seem to even care for voters, beyond asking for money and votes. And yet I vote for them but they do not represent that they even respect that I do.

My voting preferences as of today can be defined as "anyone but the Democrat." It's a sad statement about the GOPers in office.


48 posted on 10/20/2005 10:24:19 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: sinkspur

Something about having a rifle tells me that it can make all the difference in (my) world.


49 posted on 10/20/2005 10:24:48 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jonah may have had it right when he referred to the anti-left versus the anti-state "conservatives." We may be seeing under the radar just that type of fight occuring in the White House.


50 posted on 10/20/2005 10:25:02 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: quidnunc

"George Bush, like his father, is showing himself to be indifferent, if not actively hostile, to conservative values."


51 posted on 10/20/2005 10:25:11 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: newfarm4000n

Well, there is the War on Terror thing, but you are right. If we are judging him on being a Conservative, he barely passes muster. However, if we are comparing him to Algore and John sKerry, he stands head and shoulders above those two.


52 posted on 10/20/2005 10:26:18 PM PDT by deaconjim (Can I be on the Supreme Court too? Can I, can I? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeze?)
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To: quidnunc

I'm too young to remember Bork nomination battle. Yet, from what I read, he wasn't really helping himself during the nomination either, which made people easily put a negative image on him.


53 posted on 10/20/2005 10:26:25 PM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: sinkspur

"So which is it?"

The fact that he's a gun grabber is not correct, as debunked in a previous post.

What he thinks of the how the the RKBA should be defended, either from a policy standpoint, or from a 2nd amendment standpoint, is kind of moot. Especially since he's not the one up for the current supreme court seat. That would be our mystery appointment, harriet miers.

I notice you don't do any real defending of her positions - just a lot of attacking those people who question her nomination.

BTW, isn't it about time for you to say how we're all attacking harriet miers and then throw out some personal attacks of your own?


54 posted on 10/20/2005 10:26:32 PM PDT by flashbunny (What is more important: Loyalty to principles, or loyalty to personalities?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree. Something is going on in the WH. Perhaps Rove's legal problems. Maybe Andy Card is calling more shots. It appears that Cheney is not a happy camper. The Miers nomination has merely exposed the latent discontent.


55 posted on 10/20/2005 10:26:38 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: quidnunc

The thing that has me confused and disappointed with President Bush is he wasn't afraid to take on Bin Laden and Saddam, but then won't fight for the Supreme Court and keeping our borders secure.


56 posted on 10/20/2005 10:28:46 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson wrote: I don't know, but if this is true: [FR URL of stem-cell thread] then someone is piling one big loser on top of another. And if Rove is indicted on top of all this, hoo boy.

The American Spectator is reporting that the White House had to make a deal on stem-cell legislation in order to keep Specter from sinking the Miers nomination.

It looks like some unintended consequences of the opposition to Miers.

57 posted on 10/20/2005 10:29:16 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: dangus

Yes, makes a great deal of sense. Unfortunately for Bork, his inability to withhold the emotional tags to the issue ("it's frivolous") and not speak fluidly as to his intellectual reasoning about it, cost us an otherwise outstanding S.C. judge. I'd have liked to have seen him on the Court, otherwise, but the emotionalism worries me. Then again, Renquist wasn't a non-emotional person, nor Ginsberg for that matter.


58 posted on 10/20/2005 10:30:07 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: sinkspur
So which is it?

He believes individuals have a right to keep and bear arms (and explicitly opposes gun control) but believes that policy reasons rather than constitutional doctrine provide the right. It's right there in the book---you're quoting a footnote out of context. The claim that Bork is "for" gun control, or a "gun grabber," is a *LIE*, and you know it.

59 posted on 10/20/2005 10:30:57 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Ramius

"Chin up Jim! :-)

I don't think it's as bad as all that......This thing is going to work, and the ripples will flow out for decades."


I agree. This too shall pass.


60 posted on 10/20/2005 10:31:02 PM PDT by no dems (43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, 2 to pull a trigger: I'm lazy and tired of smiling,)
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