Posted on 10/20/2005 6:17:41 PM PDT by furball4paws
You may not but lots of people do.
All I did was answer your question. There is no need to accuse me of lying. I don't know of many evolutionists who also believe in God. The only evolutionists I know are also Atheists and that is where my reasoning comes from.
Not. You said an evolutionist is certain that God does not exist. That is a lie and you know it. You know that it is just creo propaganda. Now be a good Christian and quit with lies.
Meanwhile, scientists have called for the ending of American Indian mascot names because it is demeaning to Indians.
Some Christians have committed murder because they believe the other person under the devil's influence.
Man, my screen name and my tagline and all you evos persist in assuming I am a chr*stian. This is most ironic considering that the vast majority of chr*stians are confirmed Theistic evolutionists (Behe being one).
I do believe that it is a mitzvah for Israel to annihilate the Seven Nations of Canaan and `Amaleq. I suppose you find that amusing?
I notice you have no objections to your fellow-scientists manifesting a very different attitude towards one "primitive" community (American Indians) than to another.
I would definitely say you have ruled yourself out as being the intelligent designer ...
I am specifically for the God of Abraham. He claims in the Bible that he is, was, and will always be alive.
Then, will you say that Mr. Behe has no credibility since he believes in evolution and teaching children that God may be dead?
Look, I am not perfect in my explanations I am not trying to intentionally be dishonest with you. I have not engaged in heavy debate like this before and I don't have a set pattern of points to make. I am winging it here.
I am biased because I am a creationist. My creationist view determines how I view the world. Just as someone who believes in evolution has different views of the world because of their evolutionist belief. How an evolutionist views God is different from how I view God.
Do you have a Christian background (Just curious, you don't have to answer)
Maybe you can explain something to me. If Mr. Behe (with whom I do not agree, since I am a creationist rather than an "ID" advocate) says that this "intelligent designer" of his may be dead, then how is "ID" a stealth form of Biblical creationism? And if people who do believe in G-d are willing to listen to a theory that the "irreduceable complexity" in living things may be due to a "designer" who is dead, how are they promoting Genesis?
And what's the fricking difference between theistic evolution via occasional direct interference and theistic evolution via a purely naturalistic process guided at all times by Divine Providence? Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Sorry. It's just when I see a lie I first think it is some self-righteous Christian. Now I see that that trait lies with all self-righteous religious fanatics.
"I would definitely say you have ruled yourself out as being the intelligent designer .. "
I know that was supposed to be a put down but you did get a chuckle out of me.
Well, I haven't met God personally. So he might be dead. I believe the authority of the Bible however which says that God exists and always will.
Mr. Behe may also be an idolater who's "god" is indeed dead.
Because all the creos have been pushing this thing.
Creationist!
As if the slyentists HAVEN'T flim-flammed the flim-flammable?
Data point.
So you'd have no problem with Islam being taught in the schools? After all, a student can accept or reject Allah if they want.
You should be grateful (though I'm not sure to what) that you are altogether lacking in this character deficiency. [/sarcasm]
Considering the way you feel, why don't you go visit the web site of the nice American Civil Liberties Union, a "true" scientific conservative organization? Then you can not only fight idiot yahoos but fight against any and all demeaning depictions of indigenous people.
And what is your problem with "religion" when you yourself point out that it is perfectly possible to be an evolutionist and "religious" and while your fellow FReeper evolutionists go out of their way to assure religious believers that if they will only reject the literal truth of Genesis they may retain their beliefs in conceiving virgins and resurrecting corpses? At least I am consistent, unlike people who are scientific uniformitarians with regard to Genesis but who then drop uniformitarianism once Genesis is left behind.
Hmm. Earlier, you seemed to have a different tune.
None, but it has nothing to do with the point. The point is that Behe is claiming that the direct interference is scientifically observable, when it is not.
I advocate for the Bible not for Islam. I guess that makes me intolerant of the Koran but I see a difference between Jesus and other religions. I am also mindful of the 9/11 tragedy. I do belive that Islam itself played a role in the terrorist attacks.
Allah and Islam aslo have no bearing on America like the Bible does. Not to say that America is an exclusively Christian nation. I do believe that Christ and the Bible have been a large part of our national heritage. Overall, it is an individual's choice. If a teacher was willing to teach the Bible and the parents were okay with it. I'd say go for it.
In other words, you admit that "intelligent design" isn't Biblical creationism and that your characterization of it as such is based on association with the people who are "pushing" it.
If a creationist pushes something that isn't creationism, it's still "Biblical creationism" because creationists are pushing it, is that it? Even if it maintains the "disigner" is dead?
If all scientists are as irrational and emotionally driven as you, then they may be further wrong than even I ever thought.
Yes.
I did not. I am a creationist and Mr. Behe is a Theistic evolutionist. I merely pointed out that you recognize his theory is not identical to Biblical creationism and then turn right around and admit it is not when you point out that his "designer" may be dead.
Sorry, Jake. You don't get to play that game.
The US is *not* a Christian nation. If the Founders wanted one, they could have given it to us. In their wisdom, they chose not to.
As far as the law is concerned, all faiths are equally legitimate. So if you want your version of the Bible taught in schools, then you have to be willing to have other versions of the Bible, as well as the Torah and Koran, taught in the same manner.
After all, the students can accept a faith or reject it, right? No problem, right?
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