Posted on 10/20/2005 5:52:22 PM PDT by wagglebee
Thank you very much Carol Ann.
I just wanted to make another point before I go to work.
In reference to the Elderly Abuse law, each state has one which echoes Federal law. As such, each state can add but cannot take away from the law as written.
Therefore, when a state fails to abide by those laws, then who are they or should they become accountable to? It sounds to me that some people believe that the states should cede from the union of the United States.
Was there an autopsy? A coroner's inquest? Anything? Who signed his death certificate, and did they have anything to do with his care (or lack thereof)?
There needs to be thorough investigation. Have you found any agency yet that will investigate?
Welcome to FR both of you. I hope that this isn't over and won't be over because this is worth fighting for. Mr. Chambers is one who life was snatched away from him against his wishes, and lest anyone think otherwise, it is to the detriment of us all as caring human beings that this has happened. It needn't have. I don't understand how some people live with themselves for the destruction they bring about. I guess I must pray for them (and for all of us). What kind of society allows its vulnerable to be treated this way?
BykrBayb, the death certificate was signed by his attending physician from Anne Marie, a Dr. Nicholas Sanito. He listed Dad's meds on a report and the last entry on the list was "a bunch of PRN's". For those who may not know, PRN indicates the meds should be administered "as needed". Mom got to say when they were needed. Those PRN's were the narcotics that my mother used to keep Dad unconscious. Among them were Ativan and morphine, as well as Benadryl which knocked him out also. It is in the doctor's best interest that Dad's death be natural. Dad has been cremated. Again, the state said we had no right to ask for an autopsy unless there was an investigation.... only my mother had that power. An investigation has been requested. I will keep you posted on that.
By the way, everyone, I'm glad you got a chance to meet my 2 brothers, old424 and TheSecondSon. They're a little angry these days, so they are not suffering fools very well at all.
Please accept my deepest condolenses on your loss and know that you and your family are in my prayers.
God Bless
I think all of you will be VERY INTERESTED in seeing what "DadsGirl" has told us.
This has to be very frustrating for all of you. I hope it helps you to know that you're in a lot of people's prayers (including mine.)
If you haven't consulted with a lawyer, I think you should. There has to be a way to get an investigation going.
Great.
"I want to live."
"No, you can't, we know best!"
Nazis?
I think that I feel worse and worse the more I learn from your family. I am stunned and feel like I've been down this road before. Well, I guess I have. This time it seems every bit as cruel.
You might be surprised (and then again maybe you won't be), but many people on these forums have confided (to me privately) about a family member's death and how it was such a devastation to them. The images are still with them. They have given descriptions of situations much like what y'all have described. I think it has become very prevalent in our society.
Is this the 'death with dignity' we have all been told it would be? I think the 'death with dignity' movement is a false front for the euthaniasts who are ready to dispose of people whom they feel no longer have value.
I'm sad and sick to my stomach. I have no words to console you, except to offer my friendship, distant though it may be. My best to you and yours.
It is very painful each time I hear of another victim of the euthanasia movement. Each situation is as unique as the individuals involved, but they all have something in common.
The euthanasia movement produces nothing but pain, sorrow, and obviously death. I don't know how to stop it. We all work toward changing legislation, getting existing laws enforced, publicizing the problem, and whatever else we can do. But the deaths continue. And each one is painful, even to those of us who don't know the victims. When I first read about Jimmy Chambers, my stomach tightened up in a knot, and stayed that way. When I read his obituary, my stomach began hurting from the strain. It hasn't stopped. I don't ever want to know how painful it is to lose a loved one this way.
We need more families to speak out, like Mr. Chambers' family is doing. But most people don't even know this is going on until it happens in their family. During such a horrific time, the last thing they want to do is speak out about their private lives, to publicize a problem they didn't even know existed until now. It takes a lot of strength to speak out.
Moral Absolutes Ping.
Update and personal info from some of the children of Mr. Chambers who was basically killed because of an old, revoked "living will".
Very sad, and we should inform ourselves, because this evil will become - and is becoming - more and more common.
Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.
Information from some of Mr. Chambers' family, beginning at post #134.
This is not a regular ping list. Just a sampling of people I think will be interested in these updates.
Thanks, BB! Pingees, check out her links.
the courts are every where you don't want them to be.
even if he was sedated, and said he wanted to live, that should be the end of the discussion. there should be a presumption of a desire to live. you should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person does prefer to die.....
my tagline is rolling over in its grave
this is enough, already !
Diana's article is spot on. She is amazing in that she listens, records accurately and follows up with all sources. Diana Lynne is truthful and meticulously accurate. My family owes her a debt that we can never repay.
We also owe all of you a tremendous debt of gratitude.. for your prayers and for keeping my Dad alive through the telling of his story. I feel like our family has grown and now includes all of you. Thank you for sticking up for my Dad and for what is right. God bless you all.
Did 'revoked' living will kill communicative man?
8mm
I think the wife shoud be considered terminally delusional and have her food and water witheld so she can die that "wonderful peaceful death" that Terry Shiavo did.
EXACTLY!!!!!!
Where was the nursing home staff? I work in a nursing home an if the wife's behavior was as described she would have been removed from the "first contact" position. the Living Will is only in effect if the resident cannot "speak" for himself. As for the wife ordering the removal of the call light..that is a load of crap because even residents who have no way of ringing the light MUST have one within reach whenever they are in thier rooms...State law!!!
No matter who "rational" you may perceive your current attitude to be, it is not -- for it allows both suicide and murder.
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