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Patient wants to live, but old 'living will' mandates death
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/20/05 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 10/20/2005 5:52:22 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: codercpc

No problem. Every situation is different. FWIW, I try not to flame people automatically. There's only been one instance that I know of where I've flamed someone right away, and that was when he was being an imposter of me. Lucky I caught him quickly.


161 posted on 11/02/2005 3:58:46 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: wagglebee
Dismantle the death care system. Living wills keep the document alive but kill the signer even if they change their mind.

Paper v. person. Paper wins.

162 posted on 11/02/2005 4:28:06 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: BykrBayb; 8mmMauser

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163 posted on 11/02/2005 4:29:27 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: cyn

INTERNET RADIO ALERT: JUNE MAXIM wil be on the radio tonight at 10 pm est here: http://www.rollye.net/


164 posted on 11/02/2005 4:30:00 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: floriduh voter

Thanks FV.


165 posted on 11/02/2005 4:30:21 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

You're welcome. Did we ever find out if Jimmy died of natural causes or if he was forced out by the culture of death whereby a piece of paper can kill you?


166 posted on 11/02/2005 4:38:09 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: floriduh voter

Not conclusively, but read post #134, and the following posts.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1506323/posts?page=134#134


167 posted on 11/02/2005 4:39:49 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
Re: cost containment. Look what it cost for them to murder Terri. It cost more for the state to murder her for HINO than it would have cost to let her live, by gosh!

It cost the Republican party a lot and they are so dysfunctional right now, I don't know if they realize what it cost them.

Jeb wants to be vice president of the U.S. No thanks. He hid when an innocent woman needed his help. His atty was just a dog and pony show. Jeb did not help Terri. He was a coward.

168 posted on 11/02/2005 4:40:51 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: floriduh voter

I had my suspicions when I read his obituary. Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks there's a snake in the wood pile.


169 posted on 11/02/2005 4:41:02 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: DadsGirl
I have no idea who you are, other than the fact that you signed up today. If you are involved in this case let me help you out a bit

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.--Federalist 45

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.--Tenth Amendment

I can pray about the situation (which I try to do in all issues) but this issue under our Constitution is strictly the business of the citizens of the state of South Carolina. It is not the business of the national government, the business of the citizens from other states, and laying pressure on elected officials for whom I did not cast a vote is disingenous to the citizens within the state that did vote.

Should a group of citizens from Oregon be able to influence the decisions of a city council, sheriff's office, etc. in South Carolina? Even if the Oregonians holds a different value system than South Carolinians? Because that is what you're asking. To destroy federalism in all aspects to get what you desire. Perhaps in this issue, the intent is good. What about the next issue? Can you guarantee the intent will always be good? If you allow it once, the precedent is set. A very bad one

170 posted on 11/02/2005 4:41:19 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

Does it feel good to slap down a grieving daughter? Do you feel like a man? Was it good for you?


171 posted on 11/02/2005 4:44:22 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: kalintabby
The contstitution guarentees state's rights only if they uphold the resposibilities that go hand and hand with those rights

Really? Where is that located? The Tenth Amendment says no such thing. The Tenth Amendment only says if the right has not been enumerated to the federal government, that right belongs to the states, or citizens of the respective state

If we each say "Well its not happening to me so I won't worry about it" not only have we reared a generation of egocentric scapegoaters, but we have also set the stage for a disgraceful country.

Better get to passing laws you want within your respective state then. Petition your state legislators. Because if you continue to influence the federal government to deal with state issues, not only have you set the stage for a disgraceful country, you're ignoring our founding document and may as well shred it.

172 posted on 11/02/2005 4:44:47 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

Murder is already illegal. But if it makes you feel better to harass a dead man's family, keep going. You're doing a fine job of showing your true colors.


173 posted on 11/02/2005 4:50:30 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
Your very post represents why the citizens of the respective states were never intended to vote for Senators or President. I 'slapped' no one down. You're too easily influenced by emotion. You couldn't reason your way out of a circular room without walls. Tug at some heartstrings and change the law. Rip the Constitution to shreds but you'll feel better about yourself. Is that it?

I am not heartless and I feel for all involved (as I've stated previously). However the Constitution of these United States is there for a reason. And as long as it's there, it must be the guidance for this nation of states. Some may consider it, and it has been called for other reasons, a suicide pact if you will. But it's all we have. And if we ignore it at whim or when we disagree with the limitations therein, we are no better than liberals

174 posted on 11/02/2005 4:51:17 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
I think that if a person changes their mind, the living wills which are death papers, should be revocable, not irrevocable. Jimmy Chambers apparently decided that the ventilator wasn't so objectionable after all. Paper v. Human. Paper wins. That's despicable. Even people poised to jump off the Skyway Bridge can change their mind. Should we just push them off instead?

South Carolina needs to revisit their lax rules which seem to be in need of a serious overhaul.

175 posted on 11/02/2005 4:53:28 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: billbears

Misrepresenting the Constitution, and claiming that the murder of their family member is Constitutionally justified is your way of showing your feelings for the grieving relatives? That's sick!


176 posted on 11/02/2005 4:54:47 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: billbears

The Constitution supports life, not death by a piece of paper. Do you understand that while we fight the culture of death due to islamo-terrorism, our govt is helping families kill their relatives. What's the difference, if you will. A culture of death abounds whether it's a homicide bomber or someone who takes away someone's food and water. Life is too short anyway. Why force people out who want to get all they can out of life? It's murder.


177 posted on 11/02/2005 4:56:02 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: DadsGirl

If you are who you say you are, I mean no offense. I offer my condolences (contrary to the opinion of some they are heartfelt).


178 posted on 11/02/2005 5:00:51 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: floriduh voter
South Carolina needs to revisit their lax rules which seem to be in need of a serious overhaul.

If you would read my statements, I have no issue with that reasoning. If South Carolinians feel strongly enough about the issue, they should contact their legislators and have the issue addressed. However, those legislators should not be influenced by those from outside of the state as many would recommend.

179 posted on 11/02/2005 5:03:09 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: DadsGirl; kalintabby

I guess somebody should have warned you about the trolls and moles who have fought a long hard battle in support of forced euthanasia. If their personal attacks become too agressive for your tastes, below each post is a link to report abuse to the moderators.


180 posted on 11/02/2005 5:05:12 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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