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Help Add the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to the California Constitution
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Posted on 10/18/2005 11:28:06 PM PDT by William Tell
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A new petition drive to add the right to keep and bear arms to the California Constitution will begin soon. The petition language is expected to be approved around November 21, 2005. Once begun, signature gathering will continue for 150 days.
Read more about the petition language and the overall schedule at the official web site www.tacr.us.
Your help is needed as a volunteer to organize and participate in the collection of signatures in your county. Contacts for several counties have already been identified and their contact information appears on the "Unofficial" web site, rkba.members.sonic.net.
To volunteer, email or phone the person listed for your county on the "Unofficial" web site.
If there is not yet a person listed, then volunteer to become the contact for your county by sending your name, county, and phone or email address to Dave at rkba@sonic.net.
To: William Tell
Bookingmarking for later. Thanks for posting!
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posted on
10/18/2005 11:41:46 PM PDT
by
Prime Choice
(E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
To: William Tell
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posted on
10/18/2005 11:43:27 PM PDT
by
SDGOP
To: BurbankKarl
.....per your tag line, I pingeth thee.
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posted on
10/18/2005 11:48:47 PM PDT
by
Brad’s Gramma
(FR1....Varoooooom, Varooooooom!!!)
To: William Tell
You bet!!!!......it's gauranteed by the Constitution...Try and take my guns away MOFO!
To: William Tell
If the 2nd doesn't apply in Kali. then the 5th, 14th, and ALL others don't apply either, right? I read where there was a ruling back in the 1800's which said the amendments definitly apply to the States. Case closed.
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posted on
10/19/2005 2:34:45 AM PDT
by
Waco
To: William Tell
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Pardon me for being cynical, but you guys are gonna bust your butts for this and get it passed only to have the Ninth Circus rule it unconstitutional.
Go for it!
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posted on
10/19/2005 4:34:07 AM PDT
by
upchuck
(A fireman running up the stairs at the WTC as the towers began to collapse: HERO defined ~ Ben Stein)
To: upchuck
It is California's last hope. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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posted on
10/19/2005 4:56:05 AM PDT
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: upchuck
Also, that's why this is an initiative Constitutional Amendment, rather than an initiative statute. It is the people determining what's going to be constitutional in California.
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posted on
10/19/2005 5:21:13 AM PDT
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: William Tell
I would think that any constitutional amendment approved by the people to bear arms would be found unconstitutional by the legislature, the executive and certainly the courts.
California more closely resembles a soviet socialist republic than a democratic republic.
Your illegal Coastal Commission and assorted regional planning commissions are certainly examples of unelected soviet socialists ruling over the everyday affairs of citizens.
However, I wish you luck in your endeavors. If you need assistance to pass around the petition and get signatures, give me a buzz. Then again, the California socialists would probably find my actions illegal since I'm no longer a California serf.
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posted on
10/19/2005 6:01:17 AM PDT
by
sergeantdave
(Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
To: sergeantdave
If they manage to find anything among the scant 142 words of this amendment to declare unconstitutional, it's the final proof that California no longer has a republican form of government as guaranteed by the US Constitution, but rather a dictatorship of the judiciary.
It MUST be attempted. Please put a cork in your pointless cynicism at least until April 21, 2006.
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posted on
10/19/2005 6:13:32 AM PDT
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: sergeantdave
"I would think that any constitutional amendment approved by the people to bear arms would be found unconstitutional by the legislature, the executive and certainly the courts."Huh?
To: Waco
Starting in the early 1900's, the U.S. Supreme Court has used the Due Process Clause of the 14th amendment to selectively incorporate the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights. They have declared certain rights fundamental to liberty, and made the protection of those rights applicable to the states.
Since the early 60's, almost every clause in the Bill of Rights has been incorporated (notable exceptions are the 2nd and 3rd Amendments, the grand jury indictment clause of the 5th Amendment, and the 7th Amendment).
This means that your RKBA is protected by your state constitution.(The second amendment is only a restriction on the federal govenment, not the state.)
Since the California state constitution provides no protection in this area, a constitutional amendment is the only way to get it.
To: upchuck
"Pardon me for being cynical, but you guys are gonna bust your butts for this and get it passed only to have the Ninth Circus rule it unconstitutional."How?
To: William Tell
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posted on
10/19/2005 6:35:34 AM PDT
by
bmwcyle
(We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
To: robertpaulsen
I would think that any constitutional amendment approved by the people to bear arms would be IGNORED, REWRITTEN AND REINTERPRETED by the legislature, the executive and certainly the courts.
That better for you?
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posted on
10/19/2005 7:20:46 AM PDT
by
sergeantdave
(Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
To: sergeantdave
To the left it's only words and the meaning of words changes.
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posted on
10/19/2005 7:30:14 AM PDT
by
claudiustg
(Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
To: feinswinesuksass
bumping and pinging for later consumption;-)
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posted on
10/19/2005 7:38:24 AM PDT
by
HangFire
(I'm only wearing black until they come up with something darker...)
To: William Tell; everyone
Starting in the early 1900's, the U.S. Supreme Court has erroneously used the Due Process Clause of the 14th amendment to selectively 'incorporate' the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights.
The fact remains that all of the Constitution & all of its Amendments have always applied to all levels of governments and all officials in the USA, just as Article VI makes clear.
The USSC has erroneously declared only certain rights fundamental to liberty, and made the protection of only those rights applicable to the states, contrary to the clear words of both Article VI and the 14th Amendment.
Since the early 60's, almost every clause in the Bill of Rights has been erroneously 'incorporated' (notable exceptions are the 2nd and 3rd Amendments, the grand jury indictment clause of the 5th Amendment, and the 7th Amendment).
We can only wonder who gave the Supreme Court the power to 'except' certain of our most fundamental rights.
This means that your RKBA is unprotected by your state or local officials if they ignore your state constitution.
Thus they can contend that our second amendment is only a restriction on the federal government, not the state.
Since the California state constitution provides no protection in this area, a constitutional amendment is only one way to get it.
Forcing the US Supreme Court to hear a case on Califorina's clear infringements of the 2nd is another, and better method. It would settle the issue for good.
To: William Tell
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