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The Quest for Perpetual Flight (Model Plane flies 48+ hrs!)
Design News ^ | September 26, 2005 | Charles J. Murray, Senior Technical Editor -- Design News

Posted on 10/16/2005 12:01:00 PM PDT by theFIRMbss

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This has got to be
about as cool as it gets!
Built his own plane, and

built a controller
to make the motors work right.
Buckaroo Banzai!

The link has more pics,
and the story is also
covered at this site:

Electric Car Maker Demonstrates 24-Hour Endurance for Solar-Electric UAV
1 posted on 10/16/2005 12:01:16 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: RightWhale; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; PatrickHenry; brivette; js1138
>science ping


"SoLong's ironless motor, combined with a drive
custom-designed by Cocconi, provides the
efficiency needed to keep the plane aloft indefinitely"

2 posted on 10/16/2005 12:14:41 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
here is that pic

3 posted on 10/16/2005 12:16:37 PM PDT by inrefutable evidence
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To: theFIRMbss

The motor appears to be more robotic than motoric. Something like this will be flying over the dust of Mars in the not too distant future.


4 posted on 10/16/2005 12:21:07 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Aeronaut

Aviation ping


5 posted on 10/16/2005 12:21:13 PM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Open Borders: The RINOcracy waging class warfare against American wage earners)
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To: theFIRMbss
I can't help wonder
The reason you decided
To sum in haiku.

And I am confused,
If the power for takeoff
Is greater than flight,

And problems are caused
By this great disparity,
Why launch from the ground?

6 posted on 10/16/2005 12:23:34 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
>Why launch from the ground?
"Cocconi is talking with engineers at Solar Impulse SA in Switzerland about a bigger project: a manned solar airplane that would circle the globe"

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I'd guess he wanted
this system as a model
for a full sized craft.

If it can scale up,
you can't arm launch an airplane
with a guy inside . . .

7 posted on 10/16/2005 12:32:39 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: RightWhale
"Potential applications include wildfire detection, and hurricane and storm tracking, as well as reconnaissance and surveillance for battlefields and national security applications."

Can you say, "Big Brother is Watching You?"

8 posted on 10/16/2005 12:38:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: theFIRMbss
Interesting that he doesn't use a canard pitch control arrangement instead of the tail. He might be using an unstable aft CG to accomplish a similar effect, trading stability for about a 10% increment in aero efficiency. Probably would be worthwhile, especially when you're scaling up fivefold to give yourself a useful payload . . .

9 posted on 10/16/2005 1:00:14 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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10 posted on 10/16/2005 1:03:45 PM PDT by Aeronaut (2 Chronicles 7:14.)
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To: theFIRMbss
Cocconi flew that plane for almost two years—until early 2005—before beginning work on the solar-powered SoLong

So, we a supposed to be impressed with a 48 hour flight after he flew his first version for about two years?

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11 posted on 10/16/2005 1:05:19 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Politicalities

You guys are starting to get me worried...


12 posted on 10/16/2005 1:10:24 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Politicalities; theFIRMbss
Why launch from the ground?
I noticed that too. Why not just build it at high altitude, then . . .

Seriesly, it would seem to raise the question of the tradeoff involved in using a conventional engine and a small quantity of fuel to boost the vehicle to altitude.


13 posted on 10/16/2005 1:13:41 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Travis McGee
Wonder how soon these will be retired?


14 posted on 10/16/2005 1:22:52 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: theFIRMbss
If it can scale up,
you can't arm launch an airplane
with a guy inside . . .

Ah, but a plane can
Be launched by another plane.
Just ask Burt Rutan.

15 posted on 10/16/2005 1:34:14 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: theFIRMbss

I believe that the loiter time of the UAVs and UCAVs are in the extended hour range.


16 posted on 10/16/2005 1:36:24 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Travis McGee
>"Big Brother is Watching You?"

Oh, Travis, get real.
I'm sure they've been watching you
for many years now!

17 posted on 10/16/2005 2:31:01 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: NY Attitude; Travis McGee
>I believe that the loiter time of the UAVs and UCAVs are in the extended hour range

There seem to be firms
trying to commercialize
stratosphere aircraft

that can stay aloft
for weeks, doing similar
work as satellites

but at lower cost.
For techie types, this might be
a growth industry . . .

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What If You Had a 12-Mile High Aerial Tower? [from the end of the article]

Alan Cocconi isn't alone in his vision of eternal flight and radio towers in the sky. One company, AeroVironment, Inc., has launched a subsidiary—SkyTower Telecommunications (www.skytowerglobal.com)—focused on such technology.

The company already is pointing toward its first production configuration: a hydrogen fuel-cell-powered aircraft that could stay aloft for a week at a time at a 65,000-ft operating altitude, at airspeeds of up to 100 knots.

"It would operate above the weather and above commercial air traffic," says Stuart Hindle, vice president of strategy and business development for AeroVironment, Inc. (www.aerovironment.com). "It's a station that keeps moving in a circle, acting in a fashion like a geostationary satellite, only 2,000 times closer to the ground."

Indeed, at just 12 miles, SkyTower's aircraft would be much closer to the earth than geostationary satellites, which hover at altitudes of about 220,000 miles. SkyTower's closer proximity, says Hindle, would produce extraordinary benefits, including lower infrastructure costs and a bandwidth density boost of a thousand-fold for telecom companies. Moreover, the fuel-cell-based technology could operate at any earth latitude, since it would not be sunlight-dependent.

Hindle says that the technology is attracting interest in the defense community, where it could also be used for reconnaissance, surveillance, and for network-centric warfare communications.

"Having a platform that could loiter over a battlefield for a week or more, and provide high-bandwidth communications, is of very high value to the military community," he notes.

Hindle says that flights of the company's earlier aircraft suggest that the production technology may be on the near horizon.

"With funding in place, we project the first operating capability in the stratosphere within two years," Hindle predicts. "Within three years, we could have telecom capabilities available."—CM

18 posted on 10/16/2005 2:42:22 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

I don't count that microphone which the CIA agent posing as my dentist put in my molars. I figured out how to block that with lead foil years ago.


19 posted on 10/16/2005 2:44:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: theFIRMbss

20 posted on 10/16/2005 2:46:46 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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