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Defections reveal extent of China's espionage operations
Jane's Intelligence Review ^ | 2005 Oct 11 | John Hill

Posted on 10/15/2005 7:19:08 AM PDT by Wiz

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To: benjaminjjones
I thought women made the move into the workplace during WWII, when all the men were off at war.

They did, but after the war, most of them did not stay in the workplace. Although more than many here might think did stay in the workplace. Many worked part time. I can't think of a woman of that generation that I know that never worked after her kids started coming. Except my mother in law. But then she had five of them. And of course by the time the fifth one was out of school, they no longer needed the extra money. Before the first one, my wife, she did work as a secretary though.

But, my mother, my Aunts, (although two were farmers wives, which is work believe me), the mothers of my friends, and the women friends of my parents, all worked at least part time. Some, like the farmers, worked in the family business, but many more worked in factories (like my mother) and stores. My aunt worked in a bar, which was also the family business come to think of it, and later was a cook at a frat house. Anther aunt, who had worked in a factory during the war, making fuses, later worked in an ammunition depot making shells and aerial bombs, by which I mean pouring the molten explosive filler into the casings. :) My wife's aunt was also a "Rosie the Riveter", although she didn't rivet she did work on ships in a west coast shipyard while her husband was in the Navy.

21 posted on 10/15/2005 9:34:16 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: lentulusgracchus

The worst part is that a lot of these students from the PRC get graduate teaching or research assistantships, so we (TAXPAYERS) are funding their schooling in the US!


22 posted on 10/15/2005 10:54:36 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Alexander Rubin

I was kinda amazed to see your "holy crap" reply.

Every country in the world does this and every company with a first class security team also does it.

Have you ever noticed that Russias aircraft and submarines look remarkably similar to ours on the outside?

Watching your competitors ads on tv showing their version of your idea that was initially discussed at a meeting three months ago is a sure sign that your company is infected.


23 posted on 10/15/2005 12:07:34 PM PDT by B4Ranch (In 3 to 5 seconds check- employees immigration status - http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/SAVE.htm)
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To: B4Ranch

Even if commonplace, it's still far from comforting...


24 posted on 10/15/2005 1:05:40 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

The theft of ideas, battle plans, inventions and new designs has been going on since the Romans. Why are you expecting comfort from y/our competitors?


25 posted on 10/15/2005 1:33:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch (In 3 to 5 seconds check- employees immigration status - http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/SAVE.htm)
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To: B4Ranch

I don't expect comfort. It's still an unpleasant jarring reality.


26 posted on 10/15/2005 2:05:27 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
I should not say it, but in my experience Canadians can be gullible.

They keep voting for Liberals and listening to the CBC.

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27 posted on 10/15/2005 2:21:08 PM PDT by concrete is my business (prepare the sub grade, then select the mix design)
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To: concrete is my business

True enough. I joined the Alliance Party the day I turned 16, and voted for them (and the Conservatives) since. And I don't use the CBC for anything but hockey. ;)


28 posted on 10/15/2005 2:38:51 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
The reference is to lowered fertility rates after the 1950's as the Great Generation ended their progeneration, and the small Silent Generation (mostly "war babies" and "Depression babies") took over, providing a much-reduced production of infants whom we now call the "X Generation", who were born from about 1965 to 1980.

This should have been the time of the greatest proliferation of the children of the Baby Boom, but instead they largely deferred childbearing until many of them were approaching their later and less fertile (and safe) years. Result: the "baby echo" was very reduced and didn't begin to reflect what the Boomers should have been capable of producing if they'd had kids at the same rate their parents (families in the '40's and '50's usually had 3-4 kids each).

Instead, because the women wanted to work, or because they were picky about mates because they were career/status-oriented, Boomer women married at a lower rate than their mothers' generation had, married much later, and had a much higher divorce rate ("I am woman, hear me roar", et cetera). Result: family formation sucked, families sucked, and everything has generally gone to hell in a basket because of the liberal influence, especially the "women's movement" influence.

Bereft of the ravings of Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan, Andrea Dworkin and Naomi Wolf and the rest of them, Boomer women would probably have been less family-oriented anyway because of the growing realization that women can do engineering, too, and because business would have continued to try to use women's labor as a wage-undermining alternative, gradually bringing more of them into the workforce. Competition for women's time from work has been the real slayer of family life and values IMHO, because the father/husband was already absent much of the time (in the 1920's, industrial workers, driven like slaves, pulled 12-hour shifts at hard labor in hazardous conditions and were very often barely able to function after a day spent in an open-hearth furnace, e.g.), and now the business community wanted the women to come to work, too. Leaving the kids at home (latchkey kids) to be babysat by television (values of the forum, materialistic and selfish).

With the dearth of children, business' appetite for foreign immigrant labor has gone up, both as a way to undercut wages and as a way to impose labor peace on the employer's terms in the workplace. As a result, blue-collar wages have stagnated in real, deflated terms in communities with a lot of immigrant labor. Night janitorial staff, in 1990, made $12/hr in New York, $10/hr in Pittsburgh, and $3.30/hr in Houston. Capiche?

Now it's spreading, and Andy Grove of Intel was just on Charlie Rose this week saying that he thinks U.S. workers' earning power is on the edge of an abyss, as management closes in on their goal of enforcing third-world wages (and first-world prices) on the country.

29 posted on 10/15/2005 8:46:32 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: benjaminjjones
What happened in 1968?

The first rising wave of the "Baby Boom" girls started reaching age 20 and decided they wanted to put off family formation and/or children so they could find more "meaning in life" through work or study.

By the way, as a demographic factoid......in their political demographic surveys (1999 and again in 2003/4), the Pew Foundation has identified a particular political demographic that is the anchor of the DemonRat Party. That anchor is a very large group of educated women, usually with MA/MS degrees and sometimes higher (JD, MD, PhD, LLD), who are politically very literate, very activist, very liberal, ...... and very often childless, or with only one child at home, and very often single or divorced.

Of all the groups Pew mapped, this group is the most highly educated, the most politically vocal and active, and the most liberal.

This demographic did not exist in 1964. Its existence is almost wholly the creation of Fabian socialism, the New Left and the "women's movement", and the Democratic Party, which has exploited their energy and ability endlessly since the 1970's.

30 posted on 10/15/2005 9:04:31 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: dljordan
When they graduate they are hired by our companies as affirmative action hires.

Sad. And even worse is there were probably plenty of Americans that would have performed as well as these ChiComs for your company, agree?

Wolf
31 posted on 10/15/2005 11:25:07 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Alabama MOM; DAVEY CROCKETT; Calpernia; MamaDearest; WestCoastGal

ping


32 posted on 10/15/2005 11:37:02 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You say that you have prayed about your problem! Now, shut up and listen to God's answer.)
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To: RunningWolf

" Sad. And even worse is there were probably plenty of Americans that would have performed as well as these ChiComs for your company, agree?"

It must be more important to "celebrate diversity" than keep your business secure.


33 posted on 10/16/2005 11:05:40 AM PDT by dljordan
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