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World's hedge funds face crisis as Refco suspends trading
The Guardian (UK) ^ | Oct 14, 2005 | Jill Treanor

Posted on 10/14/2005 11:30:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Travis McGee
Refco is the tip of the derivatives iceberg.

Maybe people need to go to jail rather than being bailed out this time.

61 posted on 10/15/2005 4:17:20 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Most of the risk comes from perfectly legal actions.


62 posted on 10/15/2005 4:52:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
Travis,

It depends entirely on the purpose of owning the derivatives for the individual fund. [disclaimer: I manage a hedge fund]. First, there are many kinds of derivatives. The futures market is larger than the stock market. Those futures contracts are used for many purposes - primarily to transfer risk.

Admittedly, there are firms like the one in the article that use derivatives in a very risky manner. I objected primarily to the title, which painted dire consequences to all hedge funds. This was a small event in the grand scheme of things.

best, ampu

63 posted on 10/15/2005 5:18:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: AntiScumbag
Others had advance knowledge of this Refco crisis

It can now be safely concluded that you have zero proof of it.

That has nothing to do with anything, moron. You know and I know that the big guys had inside track and inside info on the REFCO bust

64 posted on 10/15/2005 6:23:36 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw
Moron?

LOL. You spout half-baked, unsubstantiated crapola and call me a moron?

Smooth.

I won't hold my breath waiting for you to post the proof you don't have that anyone with knowledge of the problems acted on that knowledge.

65 posted on 10/15/2005 6:32:58 PM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: Peach

Thanks for the ping. This happened last Thursday I believe, and is only a portion of Refco dealings, and doesn't represent any segregated customer funds.

Guardian makes it sound extremely gloomy when in fact, it's just gloomy. :^)


66 posted on 10/15/2005 6:42:05 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: Travis McGee
Mr Bennett has been charged with defrauding investors by using a hedge fund to hide $430m (£250m) of debts owed to the firm.

Wasn't Sarbanes-Oxley supposed to protect us from this kind of thing?

67 posted on 10/15/2005 6:58:11 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: AntiScumbag

LOL Are you a lawyer? My common sense level of proof is enough.


68 posted on 10/15/2005 7:41:50 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw
Obviously, my previous comment was entirely correct and remains so:

It can now be safely concluded that you have zero proof of it.

69 posted on 10/15/2005 8:36:33 PM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: phelanw

i dont know if refco cleared those trades, but it is VERY possible that was just a series of straddles put on by a local broker to facilitate a tax-deductible payoff by other locals. I cannot imagine it even got on the clearing firm's radar.


70 posted on 10/15/2005 8:46:29 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"The only ones who are really effected are the ones who owned REFCO stock. "

As well as the impressive liability the underwriters are going to be facing, along with the company itself.

It is amazing arrogant stupidity that ceo let this co. go public with this in the closet waiting to be found. This could have been handled internally as a private co. and they could still have tried to go public in a couple of years. As it is, the existing equity holders are in peril of a wipeout. Is this stock every going to trade without a Q again?


71 posted on 10/15/2005 8:51:38 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Santiago de la Vega

ping


72 posted on 10/15/2005 8:55:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (The enemy is never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday's brutality. -- President Bush)
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To: WoofDog123

Yes, probably right. My memory is certainly not good enough to remember the details.


73 posted on 10/15/2005 9:11:26 PM PDT by phelanw (for goodness sake, don't nominate Harrison Bergeron)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thanks, and I hope you'll chime in now and then on these financial shennanigans threads. If you do, please ping me.


74 posted on 10/15/2005 11:44:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: AntiScumbag

Boy are you ever dense. Did you fail the bar exam so now you are a pretend lawyer?


75 posted on 10/16/2005 2:18:36 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

You're a master of the 3rd-grade insult, but apparently not much else.

Tell us again all about gold being up $25 in the last 2 weeks.

LOL.


76 posted on 10/16/2005 3:57:25 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag; dennisw

I love the internet. Where else would discussion of a hedge fund turn mean?


77 posted on 10/16/2005 4:00:46 AM PDT by durasell
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To: AntiScumbag

So gold is up 25 in the last two months instead. So I don't track gold like you do. So what ya big dope!


78 posted on 10/16/2005 4:01:04 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: durasell; AntiScumbag

I owned physical gold and silver while that antiscumbag clown was still bing potty trained and it looks like he didn't take to it very well.


79 posted on 10/16/2005 4:04:38 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: All

BOOKMARK for later ref


80 posted on 10/16/2005 4:08:34 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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