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Bush told Blair of 'going beyond Iraq'
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 10/15.05 | Richard Norton-Taylor

Posted on 10/14/2005 7:19:22 PM PDT by Pokey78

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1 posted on 10/14/2005 7:19:24 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Did the Guardian bring Rod Serling back to life to write this crap?


2 posted on 10/14/2005 7:23:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Pokey78

I wish we would go further. I figure the Sauds owe us a few million barrels for letting them live!!


3 posted on 10/14/2005 7:26:13 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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according to a note of a telephone conversation between the two men

And this clown got ahold of this not HOW?

4 posted on 10/14/2005 7:27:00 PM PDT by adamsjas
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Mr Blair at the time was careful to avoid any suggestion that the Bush administration intended to target other countries after the invasion of Iraq.

Well, let's see, Mr. Blair didn't tell this author that he agreed to invasions of nations such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, and I'd suspect Pres. Bush did not do so either...so just where did he get his facts?...or is it that as a leftist he doesn't really need facts to back up his kool aid induced ramblings?

5 posted on 10/14/2005 7:30:05 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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So Bush "wanted to go beyond Iraq in dealing with WMD proliferation". And the problem with this...?


6 posted on 10/14/2005 7:31:13 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: Pokey78
The United States rejected an area of occupation in Anatolia at the end of WWI. On the other hand, technology in the form of the aircraft carrier made it unnecessary for us to occupy any Middle Eastern territory up until now.

The coming of the cruise missile has forced us into a technological shift where ground based forces are the only certain way to maintain our interests in the region.

Are we supposed to be surprised that we have a multitude of contingency plans for this area?

7 posted on 10/14/2005 7:31:20 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: SandRat

Sounds like a good idead to me...


8 posted on 10/14/2005 7:33:28 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: Pokey78

Don't ya just love the Guardian?


9 posted on 10/14/2005 7:34:51 PM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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"Did the Guardian bring Rod Serling back to life to write this crap?"

heh heh heh. Aaaaah. What's the use. heh heh heh. I bet I know how Tony responded. Damn right yank, when do we start buddy. My boys need some TA practice on live ones. The butcher aint going to last very long, buddy.


10 posted on 10/14/2005 7:36:01 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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The same delusional British media that recently mis-reported Pres. Bush as having told the Palestinian leader that God made him do 'it'...


11 posted on 10/14/2005 7:36:02 PM PDT by citizencon
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I would really appreciate it if the Guardian's report was true. Then I could ping boy Assad and tell him to clear his calender.

Tick tick tick...

5.56mm

12 posted on 10/14/2005 7:43:15 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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The note is quoted in the US edition, published next week, of Lawless World, America and the Making and Breaking of Global Rules, by the British international lawyer Philippe Sands.

Who?
Him?
Yup.
His book interview

LOL!

Jammer
13 posted on 10/14/2005 7:49:51 PM PDT by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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Most people have picked up on the strange love-hate relationship that exists between the Saudi royal family, and Al Qaeda. The royals, the government, and other elite in the country fund them and encourage them, except when they attack the royal family itself, which is considered bad.

No solution to Al Qaeda could ever be workable without addressing Saudi Arabia itself. And no solution to Saudi Arabia was possible while Saddam sat in Baghdad. We were in the also strange situation of having to get Riyadh's permission to use its territory to defend it, and that gave the Saudis veto control over our foreign policy.

No Saddam, no need for Saudi permission, and suddenly the dynamic has changed. The royals have understood that we no longer need them to be our "ambassador" to the muslim world, and we will not be there automatically to defend them against anyone. So suddenly you have the Saudis falling over themselves swearing their friendship, and promising democracy, something that has never happened.

I said immediately after 911 that the road to Riyadh lay right through Baghdad, and I still believe it. The only problem is that, if Saddam's files were full of incriminating information on half the heads of state in the known world, just think what the Saudis have in theirs. Since no one wants to see aging politicians clapped into handcuffs in the twilight of their years, we'll have to go very carefully.

Well, I might like to see some of them in handcuffs, but you get the point. If we ever decide to drop the hammer, we'd better move quick. The first troops in will have to make seizing harddrives a top priority.


14 posted on 10/14/2005 7:50:53 PM PDT by marron
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i assume the guardian thinks this is a negative article... on the contrary, i'm quite glad that bush and blair discuss such options. they would be negligent if they didn't.


15 posted on 10/14/2005 7:51:55 PM PDT by DMinus
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I said immediately after 911 that the road to Riyadh lay right through Baghdad, and I still believe it.

We are in complete agreement. I've no doubt that the policy is accurately described, though the story told here may be a fabrication.

We are in a much better position to pressure the Saudis from Iraq than we were in-country. And they know it. The invasion of Iraq was a smoke signal to Riyadh to "reform or else."

16 posted on 10/14/2005 8:07:03 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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Another fake document, I noticed they didn't post a copy of it for us.

Looks like it is from Texas as well.


17 posted on 10/14/2005 9:08:02 PM PDT by dila813
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Whether the document is fake or not is less important than a discussion of US policy towards Saudi Arabia and neighbors (Yemen).

If the story stimulates a discussion, then we are better served.


18 posted on 10/14/2005 9:41:10 PM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea! I still get my news from FR!)
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To: toddlintown

Wrong verb...


19 posted on 10/14/2005 9:45:10 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (We aren't pro-war, we're PRO-VICTORY!)
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To: dila813

Our media seems to have been able to get a ready supply of real documents from inside the Foreign Office concerning things like this, they don't really have the need to fake them.


20 posted on 10/15/2005 12:46:26 AM PDT by Canard
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