Posted on 10/13/2005 2:44:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
That's quite all right. My PING list is not an anti-TTC list, but rather a list of people who profess interest (pro or con) in the project.
Ah, I see. Please keep the updates coming, then.
Thanks again for the ping.
Crap plan developed by a Liberal Democrat that calls himself a Republican.
I insist on American Companies for Construction and NO TOLLS and dang well better ASK property owners WAY AHEAD of time, before I will even think about supporting this endeavor.
I will never support (Tax Tax Tax and Spend) Perry, even if he grows two more faces.
TT
I was making a point regarding the enormous amount of money for the hair boys road to nowhere that confiscates peoples property compaired to Mr. Brylcreem's money bone he is throwing for "border security". The border is a real problem. I have yet to see anything that proves that this road "they have to build somewhere (LOL!!) is needed at all.
It looks to me like hair boy wants a Texas version of "the big dig". This will be a boondoggle. And a ripoff that allows a private entity to take property it does not properly compensate the people they are STEALING the property from.
187+ BILLION dollars? Insanity! Stupidity. Hairy Perry has finally come up with a building project that's dumber than taxpayers paying for rich guys to have sports stadiums.
You seem to have a fixation with the Guvs hair. Are you bald?
Nope. His hair is the only thing I can see that's positive about the guy.
Its not that they mind the eastern half of the state having the roads it needs, they just don't want West Texans to have to pay for it.
Thanks for the ping!
You're welcome. :-)
BTTT
Article 1, Section 17 of the State Constitution says: "No person's property shall be taken, damaged or destroyed for or applied to public use without adequate compensation being made, unless by the consent of such person; and, when taken, except for the use of the State, such compensation shall be first made, or secured by a deposit of money; and no irrevocable or uncontrollable grant of special privileges or immunities, shall be made; but all privileges and franchises granted by the Legislature, or created under its authority shall be subject to the control thereof.
Those same funds are guaranteed by the taxpayers.
However in their detailed plans, and I'll start with highway 360 because I'm most familiar with it, the plan clearly shows that the existing four lanes would be converted to toll and two new lanes, one each direction, would be created for "non-toll alternatives".
When this issue was raised at one CAMPO meeting with us unwashed types we were told that "no existing roads" meant that we'd still have a non-toll alternative, albeit with reduced lanes over the existing freeway and that it didn't mean that existing roadways wouldn't be converted to toll "if they were more suitable for high capacity modality". Gotta love those CAMPO types.
Want another example? Highway 71 from I-35 to the airport. The six lane road currently under construction would be toll. The current frontage road would become the non-toll alternative. I guess, since it's under construction, that's it's not an existing road, but it has been funded with taxes already paid.
So I'm confused but perhaps you know and can help me out as I don't have a single problem with a new toll road as long as existing tax paid roads don't change, but I feel kinda like they're trying to pull a fast one. Not that a goobermint agency has ever done that before.
On the toll roads you have to recognize what is being done by the state and what is being done by the regional transportation authorities, which were created for local control/decentralization/Home Rule.
I hate legalese documents, you read one sentence that sounds good and then the following one seems to contradict it.
Do you remember during the legal fight for the Presidency between Bush and Gore, each time a 'ruling' came out there would be a group of lawyers trying to decypher it for the TV viewers??
Well put. I'm going to vote against Mark Strama as soon as possible. He lied to me personally and all of us in his statements about toll roads. I have wondered often if I have what it takes to stand for election in order to introduce a bill to amend HB3588.
I think it would be hard to get elected without being a part of the political machine and regardless of the party you'd have to go along to get a shot at it. But then that's probably why we end up with the dolts we end up with.
Man, we shot ourselves in the foot big time but I guess we got the goobermint we deserve.
Apparently we don't deserve much.
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