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The Trans Texas Corridor will be built ... somewhere
The Cameron Herald ^ | October 12, 2005 | Richard Stone

Posted on 10/13/2005 2:44:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: B-Chan

That's quite all right. My PING list is not an anti-TTC list, but rather a list of people who profess interest (pro or con) in the project.


21 posted on 10/13/2005 3:51:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, get over yourself, already!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ah, I see. Please keep the updates coming, then.

Thanks again for the ping.


22 posted on 10/13/2005 4:54:53 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Crap plan developed by a Liberal Democrat that calls himself a Republican.

I insist on American Companies for Construction and NO TOLLS and dang well better ASK property owners WAY AHEAD of time, before I will even think about supporting this endeavor.

I will never support (Tax Tax Tax and Spend) Perry, even if he grows two more faces.

TT


23 posted on 10/13/2005 5:17:50 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
As opposed to all keyboard pounding slander, no truth? The state isn't paying $7.2 billion to a Spanish company, but rather the company is spending $6 billion of money it will raise in private markets to build the road, and pay the state $1.2 billion in a concession fee.

I was making a point regarding the enormous amount of money for the hair boys road to nowhere that confiscates peoples property compaired to Mr. Brylcreem's money bone he is throwing for "border security". The border is a real problem. I have yet to see anything that proves that this road "they have to build somewhere (LOL!!) is needed at all.

It looks to me like hair boy wants a Texas version of "the big dig". This will be a boondoggle. And a ripoff that allows a private entity to take property it does not properly compensate the people they are STEALING the property from.

187+ BILLION dollars? Insanity! Stupidity. Hairy Perry has finally come up with a building project that's dumber than taxpayers paying for rich guys to have sports stadiums.

24 posted on 10/13/2005 5:32:12 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: isthisnickcool

You seem to have a fixation with the Guvs hair. Are you bald?


25 posted on 10/13/2005 5:48:37 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Are you bald?

Nope. His hair is the only thing I can see that's positive about the guy.

26 posted on 10/13/2005 6:40:41 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: isthisnickcool
Just between you, me, and the fencepost: this hiway deal is a big conspiricy amongst the boys from West Texas.

Its not that they mind the eastern half of the state having the roads it needs, they just don't want West Texans to have to pay for it.

27 posted on 10/13/2005 7:00:50 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 10/13/2005 8:09:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You're welcome. :-)


29 posted on 10/13/2005 9:41:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, get over yourself, already!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


30 posted on 10/14/2005 3:09:32 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In Kansas the entirity of I-35 is a toll road. Somehow, it doesn't move traffic any better than when it was free in the 1970s.
31 posted on 10/14/2005 3:14:59 AM PDT by MarshallDillon (CORRIDORWATCH.COM)
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To: potlatch
..it will cut up peoples farmland and make it hard to even get to the other portion. Yep, the farmers who make up the "Blacklands Coalition" say it makes no sense to put a 1/4 mile-wide swath of new highways through the best soil in Texas. http://www.corridorwatch.org/blackland/

Article 1, Section 17 of the State Constitution says: "No person's property shall be taken, damaged or destroyed for or applied to public use without adequate compensation being made, unless by the consent of such person; and, when taken, except for the use of the State, such compensation shall be first made, or secured by a deposit of money; and no irrevocable or uncontrollable grant of special privileges or immunities, shall be made; but all privileges and franchises granted by the Legislature, or created under its authority shall be subject to the control thereof.

32 posted on 10/14/2005 3:20:09 AM PDT by MarshallDillon (CORRIDORWATCH.COM)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
...the company is spending $6 billion of money it will raise in private markets to build the road, and pay the state $1.2 billion in a concession fee.

Those same funds are guaranteed by the taxpayers.

33 posted on 10/14/2005 3:31:18 AM PDT by MarshallDillon (CORRIDORWATCH.COM)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Well, that's an interesting question and one I hope you can clarify for me. The CAMPO statement very clearly states that not a single existing road will be converted into a toll road. I don't think there's any wiggle room in that statement.

However in their detailed plans, and I'll start with highway 360 because I'm most familiar with it, the plan clearly shows that the existing four lanes would be converted to toll and two new lanes, one each direction, would be created for "non-toll alternatives".

When this issue was raised at one CAMPO meeting with us unwashed types we were told that "no existing roads" meant that we'd still have a non-toll alternative, albeit with reduced lanes over the existing freeway and that it didn't mean that existing roadways wouldn't be converted to toll "if they were more suitable for high capacity modality". Gotta love those CAMPO types.

Want another example? Highway 71 from I-35 to the airport. The six lane road currently under construction would be toll. The current frontage road would become the non-toll alternative. I guess, since it's under construction, that's it's not an existing road, but it has been funded with taxes already paid.

So I'm confused but perhaps you know and can help me out as I don't have a single problem with a new toll road as long as existing tax paid roads don't change, but I feel kinda like they're trying to pull a fast one. Not that a goobermint agency has ever done that before.

34 posted on 10/14/2005 4:01:19 AM PDT by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: Proud_texan

On the toll roads you have to recognize what is being done by the state and what is being done by the regional transportation authorities, which were created for local control/decentralization/Home Rule.


35 posted on 10/14/2005 1:39:55 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: MarshallDillon

I hate legalese documents, you read one sentence that sounds good and then the following one seems to contradict it.

Do you remember during the legal fight for the Presidency between Bush and Gore, each time a 'ruling' came out there would be a group of lawyers trying to decypher it for the TV viewers??


36 posted on 10/15/2005 7:01:12 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Proud_texan

Well put. I'm going to vote against Mark Strama as soon as possible. He lied to me personally and all of us in his statements about toll roads. I have wondered often if I have what it takes to stand for election in order to introduce a bill to amend HB3588.


37 posted on 10/19/2005 5:04:07 AM PDT by MarshallDillon (CORRIDORWATCH.COM)
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To: MarshallDillon
I can't believe that the state has put roads built with state funds under the control of locals under the guise of local control and then they turn around and convert them into toll roads so the state can spend road money elsewhere. Talk about getting it coming and going...

I think it would be hard to get elected without being a part of the political machine and regardless of the party you'd have to go along to get a shot at it. But then that's probably why we end up with the dolts we end up with.

Man, we shot ourselves in the foot big time but I guess we got the goobermint we deserve.

Apparently we don't deserve much.

38 posted on 10/19/2005 5:13:57 AM PDT by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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