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We was robbed!! Sox 2 Angels 1
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Posted on 10/12/2005 8:24:45 PM PDT by navysealdad

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To: Sonar5
The things you mention weren't cheating tricks.

As I have pointed out, Ozzie Guillen said he takes being lucky over being good. He knows this was pure luck of putting one over on the ump.

As I said as well, Mike Sciosia wasn't complaining.

Don't get all defensive over your acceptance of cheating to win.

As I said, we have to beat the dems voter fraud. If the other team cheats, they still have to be beat if they get away with it.

Angels didn't have a lead. They had no leeway for this sort of cheating, so they lost.

This is different than a blown call like 1985. This was the player pulling off the gag. It's like Rosie Ruiz or something.

281 posted on 10/12/2005 11:52:32 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

SCOREBOARD

And goodnight. I'm off to bed...


282 posted on 10/12/2005 11:54:38 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5

Then the angel cathcer blew the play.


283 posted on 10/12/2005 11:57:09 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Sonar5
Good night.

This ain;t a good way to win. If the Sox win in the tenth or 11th -- now that's a win. A momentum builder.

This, though, is like getting something that wasn't earned. Hardly something that is going to instill confidence.

284 posted on 10/12/2005 11:58:03 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
Ball didn't hit the ground.

I could clearly see the ball bounce up into the catchers glove on the zoomed in centerfield camera replay. I watched it again on my digital HDD recorder in slow motion on a slow motion replay (i.e. super slow motion) and comfirmed that. The Angels' catcher was no doubt unaware of the fact that the ball had short-hopped into his glove and assumed that he had made a clean catch. His big mistake, though, was not asking the umpire if the batter was out or simply tagging Pierzynski before rolling the ball out to the mound. No wonder he's a third stringer.

(By the way, I'm a Cardinals fans who is rooting for the Angels in the ALCS.)

285 posted on 10/13/2005 12:21:03 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: Al Simmons
I heard that they got the ball and there was no scuff marks on it. If it would have hit the dirt, the mark would have been there. I will record the game on Friday because I have to see the reception the Angel fans give this dumpire.
286 posted on 10/13/2005 12:32:09 AM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: connectthedots
I think the ball hit the ground first; but it sure looked like the ump punched out the batter...

The ump was simply signaling "no contact" with his right arm extended and then "strike" with the closed pulled down fist, which was the same "mechanic" (i.e. impire's technique) he used throughout the game whether the third strike was caught or not. Of course, the Angels' catcher didn't even wait for the fist before running off the field and rolling the ball to the mound -- even though he knew that his glove had made contact with the dirt and that the umpire hadn't called "batter's out". That's really stupid and it may have even shocked the umpire into ruling a no-catch!

287 posted on 10/13/2005 12:37:44 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: tallhappy
ESPN had video of several other strike calls where the umpire used the same mechanic (i.e. extended right arm signaling "no contact" and fist pump signaling "strike"). His mechanic was consistent whether it was strike 1, 2, or 3 and regardless of whether the third strike was caught. Presumably his only call on a caught third strike or successful tag on an uncaught third strike was a verbal "out" or "batter's out" call.

Like it or not, a fist pump is now the preferred "strike call". (It used to be a right arm extended, which I prefer.) The TV guys, players, and managers who don't realize that are not keeping up with the game.

288 posted on 10/13/2005 12:51:07 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
Seriously, would a pro catcher just roll the ball back to the pitcher without easily tagging the runner out if he wasn't ABSOLUTELY positive he caught the ball, something he has done a million times in his career.

It could be an instinctive routine move to try to sell a strike out call to an umpire on a half swing on a low pitch. Pierzynski didn't make a half swing, but the catcher may not have known that since he's concentrating on the ball, not the batter. In any event it's a bonehead move by a third string catcher who must have known that his glove was in the dirt when he gloved the ball -- making it too close for assumptions.

289 posted on 10/13/2005 1:33:28 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: RichInOC

Worst umpiring ever.
290 posted on 10/13/2005 1:48:29 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Worst call I have ever seen in forty years of watching sports.

Definitely the worst call I've ever seen in pro baseball. I've seen some doozies in football that are worse.

291 posted on 10/13/2005 1:53:30 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: I Drive Too Fast
I heard that they got the ball and there was no scuff marks on it. If it would have hit the dirt, the mark would have been there.

The ball certainly hit the dirt when Josh Paul rolled it back to be mound. A ball is not likely to be scuffed when it is trapped in the soft dirt behind the plate (anymore than it would be by being rolled back to the mound by a dumb third string catcher).

292 posted on 10/13/2005 2:50:14 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: Lancey Howard
I have no idea how the umpire, standing BEHIND the catcher, could have determined that the ball glanced off the dirt. No way.

It was too close to call with the naked eye, but he determined it by watching Pierzynski run to 1st. At that point he had to either go with the veteran catcher batting or the third string catcher who had exercised gross negligence by presuming the oucome of a critical close call. At that point it was no longer a close call.

293 posted on 10/13/2005 2:57:24 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: Gone GF
I can understand the ump making a mistake on whether the ball hit the dirt or not, but to call the guy out and then allow him on base...

He never called him out. He merely called a third strike.

294 posted on 10/13/2005 2:58:54 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: Al Simmons
The umpire was right.

It may or may not have hit the ground, but the point is moot when the Ump GAVE THE OUT CALL.

295 posted on 10/13/2005 3:13:42 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: ravinson
He never called him out. He merely called a third strike.

That's not true.

296 posted on 10/13/2005 3:15:30 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: nutmeg

One of the worst calls I have ever seen. This will go down with Game 3 of the '75 WS and Game 6 of the '85 series.


297 posted on 10/13/2005 3:58:37 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: bikepacker67

When it was agreed that the umpires screwed up the famous George Brett pine tar incident the rest of the game was replayed from the point of Brett's home run. Maybe they could do that. Yeah right.


298 posted on 10/13/2005 4:07:04 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Al Simmons
"the BALL BOUNCES UP INTO THE MITT A SPLIT SECOND AFTER IT GOES INTO THE SHADOW MADE BY THE MITT BUT BEFORE IT HITS THE MITT."

Why did the ump call out the batter twice then, once with his arm extended horizontally, to indicate strike 3, and again with his arm vertical, making a fist? Answer that one for me.

299 posted on 10/13/2005 5:11:19 AM PDT by jdm
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To: mitchbert; Al Simmons

"The ball hit the dirt mere inches from impacting the catcher's glove."

Where's the splash of dirt then? If the ball hit the ground at the (fast) speed it was going, there surely would have been some dust/dirt kicked up. No dust, no dirt. That ball did not hit the ground.


300 posted on 10/13/2005 5:16:05 AM PDT by jdm
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