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Conservatives had better learn — and learn damn fast — that unless a party can gain political party and hold on to it, no amount of ideological purity will be much more significant than breaking wind in a cyclone.

Just as conservatism evolved away from the isolationist, business-versus-labor model — leaving Pat Buchanan and his ilk floundering about in the political wilderness like beached whales — so too is conservatism evolving apace away from the small-government, libertarian model so dear to the hearts of Rush Limbaugh and his acolytes.

Bush has recognized this and has parlayed it into two presidential terms.

However, if movement conservatives start an ideological war withing the GOP, everything which Ronald Reagan and those who believe as he did accomplished is in danger of being wrecked.

The my-way-or-the-highway conservatives are fast becoming the mirror images of the lunatic-fringe Democrats from moveon.org.

If the GOP is driven to the right, the Reagan Democrats who are socially conservative but fiscally liberal will be alienated and will rejoin the Democrats.

This is the reason Bill Clinton was elected twice.

1 posted on 10/12/2005 6:06:39 PM PDT by quidnunc
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The GOP better get THEIR act together.


2 posted on 10/12/2005 6:09:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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And people forget just how genuinely crappy life was at the end of the BJ Clintoon administration.
3 posted on 10/12/2005 6:09:02 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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Just as conservatism evolved away from the isolationist, business-versus-labor model — leaving Pat Buchanan and his ilk floundering about in the political wilderness like beached whales — so too is conservatism evolving apace away from the small-government, libertarian model so dear to the hearts of Rush Limbaugh and his acolytes. Bush has recognized this and has parlayed it into two presidential terms. However, if movement conservatives start an ideological war withing the GOP, everything which Ronald Reagan and those who believe as he did accomplished is in danger of being wrecked. The my-way-or-the-highway conservatives are fast becoming the mirror images of the lunatic-fringe Democrats from moveon.org.

BTTT...

4 posted on 10/12/2005 6:10:46 PM PDT by veronica ("clowns clones clowns/ it's raining clowns/snarling FR obsessed clones/ claws bared clowns"...)
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So all it takes to stay in power is to rally behind a cause inimical to our best interests?

If I wanted that I'd be a Democrat.


5 posted on 10/12/2005 6:12:20 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Bush's judicial philosophy - Aliens' rights > your rights)
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Pragmatic Conservatism Is The Only Way for a Long Lasting Conservative Majority.
6 posted on 10/12/2005 6:14:05 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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For what it's worth, conservatives didn't start this food fight. Bush did.

I have supported Bush for five years, in spite of his sometimes doing things I don't like. But as I've said before, judicial appointments are the bottom line. A lot of other conservatives feel the same way.

Bush has done this to himself. There still may be time to pull his ratings and his reputation back up, and he has certainly shown himself capable of recovering before. He can be a fighter, but I hope he decides to fight his enemies instead of his friends. I hope he takes a good hard look at this whole business and finds a graceful way to back out of it and start over.


7 posted on 10/12/2005 6:14:30 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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So, do you think your comments promote unity or drive people away?


9 posted on 10/12/2005 6:14:45 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (The sacrifices of God are a broken and contrite heart. Ps. 51:17)
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Just as conservatism evolved away from the isolationist, business-versus-labor model — leaving Pat Buchanan and his ilk floundering about in the political wilderness like beached whales — so too is conservatism evolving apace away from the small-government, libertarian model so dear to the hearts of Rush Limbaugh and his acolytes.

Do you think the evolution away from small government by conservatives is a good thing?

13 posted on 10/12/2005 6:17:29 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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Let me see if I got this straight.

"First the GOP gets rid of the isolationist non-free-traitors. Then it shakes loose that pesky small-government, libertarian wing. Ideological purity? That's just silly talk. Dig up the corrupt Jay Hanna GOP of the Gilded Age, that's WAAAAAY better than trying to get elected based on a platform. Screw these people who want a party philosophy...we run to put our people in power, the only principle is WIN!"

I'm aghast at how fast you people want what had yet been a party of principle to race to join the Democrat whoring. And you think...somehow...it's VIRTUOUS to do so. Who are you, and why do you call yourself conservative, anyway?


14 posted on 10/12/2005 6:17:42 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Kelo, Grutter, Raich and Roe-all them gotta go. Pick Judge JRB! She'll nuke `em 'til they glow!)
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The GOP better get their act together and start acting like Republicans. Where is the smaller government? Even Bill Clinton won by declaring the era of big government is over. The GOP should impliment that popular sentiment if they really want to win.


19 posted on 10/12/2005 6:22:25 PM PDT by Always Right
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"so too is conservatism evolving apace away from the small-government, libertarian model"

You're saying this as if it's a good thing...or am I missing something?


21 posted on 10/12/2005 6:25:52 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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This is the reason Bill Clinton was elected twice.

BS ... the liberal MSM put his piece of crap over the top twice. Had he been a Republican they would have torpedoed his candidacy way back in the early '90's.

23 posted on 10/12/2005 6:27:44 PM PDT by BluH2o
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...small-government, libertarian model so dear to the hearts of Rush Limbaugh and his acolytes...

This seems to describe that antithesis of Rush & Co.

25 posted on 10/12/2005 6:28:29 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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There are two things that kept George in office for his second term...And barely, at that...

The first thing is that we wrapped ouselves in the flag to support this two-term long war...

The second, George promised to pick Supreme Court Justices in the mold of Thomas and Scalia...

Question: Where would George be without the war???


26 posted on 10/12/2005 6:28:59 PM PDT by Iscool
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(This is the reason Bill Clinton was elected twice.)

I have seen governor Ryan (R, Illinois) voted for twice. I have seen Bill Clinton voted for twice. Both men destroyed their party.

There is something to be said for integrity.


33 posted on 10/12/2005 6:31:30 PM PDT by winner3000
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It says Bush's approval ratings are down. What's that got to do with conservatives?
37 posted on 10/12/2005 6:34:49 PM PDT by D.P.Roberts
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I fail to see how this article can claim that Republicans are no good at governing. Bush has been very successful until about 6 months ago. His alleged failure at Katrina was more a political failure (not getting in front of the cameras quickly) than anything else. He is not directly responsible for FEMA's incompetence, and he is not at all responsible for the Louisiana government and New Orleans failures. He fired the FEMA head and that is really all he can do.

None of this proves that Republicans "can't govern." I'd like to see them try to defend a nation against terrorism and bring democracy to the Middle East. They all lack any kind of vision, and of course won't allow for any mistakes.


40 posted on 10/12/2005 6:38:00 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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When they rejoin the democrats will they take Bush with them????


49 posted on 10/12/2005 6:44:42 PM PDT by cynicom
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The reason Clinton was elected twice is because his chief adversaries in those two successive elections were George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole.
51 posted on 10/12/2005 6:46:41 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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RINO's on parade alert!


52 posted on 10/12/2005 6:46:45 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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