Don’t settle for separate but equal (Dover trial Darwinists, are 'absurd' says YDR Editor)

York Daily Record ^ | 9 Oct 05 | Dave Dentel

[microgood]

Funny, I've never seen plate tectonics reproduced in the lab, either. Why do YOU think the eastern side of S. America fits so well next to the western side of Africa?

But the continents are still here and you can examine them, test the unique features that only exist in those two places, etc. Also, we know the plates are moving by measuring them and from earthquake events.

However, when you make the claim that the African Ant (Ciafu), with its highly organized and disciplined culture evolved from the earliest life forms by random mutation and natural selection, where is the evidence that is what happened? Certainly fossils can tell us some things but not that the mechanism was random mutation. We have no genetic material from that long ago and have never even witnessed any form of speciation event of any kind. How do we know that random mutation is the mechanism?

[jennyp]

But the continents are still here and you can examine them, test the unique features that only exist in those two places, etc. Also, we know the plates are moving by measuring them and from earthquake events.

Sure, we have the same facts. It's all in the interpretation, isn't it? And all we've seen is microtectonics, not macrotectonics. We've never seen a macrotectonic movement.

[Havoc]

Again, I would note that the effect of gravity is observeable and that a label "gravity" was applied to the observed effect. A theory then is propounded in investigation of the causal nature. In Evolution, the opposite is true, a thoeory was concocted and people have since been out looking of an observation to hang it upon. So, no, you don't get to ride the coattails of proper science in trying to excuse what you otherwise want to call science. Gravity and evolution do not follow the same rules for their approach. Gravity is observeable in it's effect - only it's detailed cause is not understood. Evolution has a cause looking for an observation to prove it. Macroevolution is that theoretical cause - and it is not observed. Gravity is observed - macroevolution is not. This is how you sell poison. It is also how you sell lies.

[gobucks]

What a steaming pile. Nothing scribbled by this guy has any relevance to the bottom line: science addresses the particular facts of the universe, religion addresses how one ought to respond to them.

It really is opaque to you people, isn't it? The issue that is...

I'll try to be brief: someone decided that 'science' and 'religion' should be separated in the minds of little kids. Little kids whose parents are taxed, and taxed regarding public schools whether they want to be taxed or not.

Tell me how this division was decided? Who decided dividing these two topics, these two ways of learning, is righteous and why? Who decided that only scientific learning was appropriate in public schools - were these people righteous? ... and why is this decision righteous?

[steve-b]

Who decided that only scientific learning was appropriate in public schools

The people who wrote the Constitution, and made religion the province of the individual and the family, not of the state. Duh.

[microgood]

Sure, we have the same facts.

Not really. Inert matter cannot self-replicate. But in both cases telling how we got to the relatively steady state we are in now is incredibly difficult to do. Specifically the claim of random mutation as how we got from a single life form(an assumption in itself) to where we are today.

It's all in the interpretation, isn't it. And all we've seen is microtectonics, not macrotectonics. We've never seen a macrotectonic movement.

Or macrotectonic event. You are right. Whether they started out as Pasmeria and split or may never be known. The mechanism early on could be quite different as well, more rapid, kind of like punctuated equilibrium for continents.

Bottom line here is they will learn more about microtectonic theory by studying empirical data to help deal with earthquakes and tsunamis and macrotectonic theory will be the stuff of universities and museums.