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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

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To: Miss Marple
First of all, regardless of how scummy a senator is, if the party leader won't support incumbents, then that leader (the President) loses all clout in the Senate.

Nonsense. The President loses all clout when he makes it clear that he will support all incumbents with an 'R' next to their name regardless of whether they cooperate with him or not. Removing both the whip and the carrot from the situation is hardly an incentive. Placing an ideological test on his support would do more to whip Senators into line, but even this is really a side issue. It was plain WRONG to support rinos like Specter. Anti-American. Anti-Constitutional.

Remember, the Senate was very closely divided. Specter's election gave us the committees and the majority leader, even if we ended up with Specter.

Bull. It was obvious to sane observers that the hold on the Senate was going to strengthen. Even if Toomey lost in the general, we'd have a solid majority.

This goes to the whole problem of the RINO thing. If we defeat RINO's in primaries, we may lose in the general. And that may mean we lose the majority, which it is important to hold.

This is so stupid. What is the point of having a nominal "majority" if it's made up of people who side with your enemies? Your logic helped get Jeffords in office in 2000. Thanks a bunch.

801 posted on 10/10/2005 12:14:36 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Pukin Dog

I'LL wait for the condensed version of your post.


802 posted on 10/10/2005 12:34:33 PM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: Guenevere
So, Brit also reads Pukin Dog's posts...too funny!

;-)

803 posted on 10/10/2005 12:43:06 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Pukin Dog

Roget that Pukin Dog ~ good job!


804 posted on 10/10/2005 1:13:51 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Welcome back. I have to agree with every bit of your post here. Sad, but true.


805 posted on 10/10/2005 1:58:37 PM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots)
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To: tennmountainman
Actually, 7 of those in the gang of 14 were Pubbies. It is those who need attention. They are the rot of the conservative movement.

As for the 7 Dems in that gang, I expect such traitorous behavior from Dem-o-RATS. A tiger is a tiger, a Lib is a lib.

Where does it end? Making sure we get conservatives in red states to elect Conservative senators and try to get as many as we can in the blue states.

806 posted on 10/10/2005 2:09:31 PM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: Wolfgang_Blitzkrieg

You have been reading too many fairy tales. I have been in insurance for over 36 years, and can tell you HM is 53 insurance age...PERIOD.


808 posted on 10/10/2005 2:21:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: subterfuge; Pukin Dog; doug from upland; William Terrell
...I'LL wait for the condensed version of your post.

Breaking now on FR. The condensed version:

Super confidential souses admit their inside information on potential conservative judges' bad deeds were obtained in the millwork section at Home Depot..

It was further demonstrated that tinfoil is avaiable at a discount in the hardware aisle if you show them a card from Pat Buckleak and Willy Crystalballs.

Following a week of prolonged huffing & puffing we can confirm that DFU also believes that Bill Clinton is the next nominee for GWB to the SCOTUS because the DNC wants that more than HRc in the WH.

Stay tuned, breathlessly. that said folks, the president told you why he nominated his cousel for the job. believe him and remember that your opinion doesn't count.

809 posted on 10/10/2005 2:30:12 PM PDT by harrowup (Naturally perfect and humble of course.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Dog, Nicely done! BZ.
Gator


811 posted on 10/10/2005 2:41:15 PM PDT by Keyga8tor
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To: Pukin Dog
Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Listening to Tony today he stated that the key candidates had let Bush know they weren't interested in the SC because of the destructive nomination process. Did your sources indicate anything along these lines?

Although I understand their feelings I find that hard to believe...but it did come from Tony.

812 posted on 10/10/2005 3:08:00 PM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS--this is just the latest example!)
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To: Pukin Dog

It is a sign of superior intellect to admit a mistake when informed with better information.

Too many in the world, and here on FR take a position based on limited information, and refuse to budge because of EGO.

My respect goes out to you for your courage.


813 posted on 10/10/2005 3:18:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I jez calls it az I see it.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Thanks for this interesting and well-thought-out 'note from the inside.' NOW it is making sense. Have you sent it to the folks at NR's The Corner? They need some bucking up.

I'm sure you'll get lots of flack from Freepers, I personally am glad to see you back and very glad to read this post. Now I can go back to bashing Bush only for his pro-illegal-immigration stance.


814 posted on 10/10/2005 3:22:14 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: Pukin Dog
It's not Bush's and the Republican congresscritters' weakness but "our own"?

You are a Republican loyalist. You were most probably among those bashing 3rd parties and their supporters in 2000 and 2004. So to you the *only* choice is to vote (R), and if he/she turns out to be less than what was advertised, it's "our fault".

Your post is ludicrous.
815 posted on 10/10/2005 3:27:21 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: evad
Listening to Tony today he stated that the key candidates had let Bush know they weren't interested in the SC because of the destructive nomination process. Did your sources indicate anything along these lines?

Yes.

It seems obvious now that a lot of folks were given this information over the weekend. It would not surprise me now if the White House is allowing people to talk about it.

In particular, some nominees who had already been through this process once made it clear that they did not want to do it again.

816 posted on 10/10/2005 3:42:34 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement.

I disagree. How could he be a traitor? Arlen was never a conservative!

817 posted on 10/10/2005 4:47:42 PM PDT by smokeyb
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To: Pukin Dog

"Had to do it when I found out what was really going on, but if I thought it would bring out the long knives, I might have reconsidered"

Instead of butting heads with folks (as we've done on many occasions) on threads like these, why don't you just start your own politics/aviation/military blog? (I'm actually serious)

More than one blogger has made a good start with "inside sources" - if yours are truly of import that offer innovative insight, you'd have a good start.

This way it can be referenced back here and discussed rationally, without regard or reference to repeated or redacted opuses or who's being an ass or not.

That said - I agree that the republican senate as a whole are a bunch of wusses (as they tend to be in off-election years) and that the confirmation process drives potential candidates away from consideration. But this is not new news. I remain undecided/leaning against Ms Meirs - and don't feel your logic - that no other judges could be found that would be "confirmable" - passes a simple smell test (lots of conservative judges out there - they can't all be unconfirmable). It just doesn't add up.

Lastly, your source (unless it is specter himself) can know what specter's agenda is. We can surmise, and probably with a reasonable level of accuracy, but it IS just a guess.


818 posted on 10/10/2005 5:32:13 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
There's "R" and then there's "R-ish". A lot of "R-ish" Senators are lumped into those 55 seats. When push comes to shove, those "R-ish" Senators ooze across the aisle and turn into "D-ish" Senators and we lose control of that body.
819 posted on 10/10/2005 5:36:51 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: rodguy911
You said republican senate and Republican house.They are in name only rino infiltrated. The house just barely passed an oil drilling bill by two votes with gas at $3.00, doesn't sound toooo pubbie to me and with the gang of 14 how can you count on these bozos?

Will you tell me what was the Senate count of Republicans to Democrats when Clarence Thomas was confirmed? Will you look that up for me and post a ping when you get the numbers? Also, what was it when Scalia was confirmed? Thanks in advance.

820 posted on 10/10/2005 6:07:07 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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