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Peace Is Not Ihe Answer(L.A.Times...no less!)
The Los Angeles Times ^ | October 9, 2005 | William Shawcross

Posted on 10/09/2005 6:14:21 AM PDT by kellynla

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"The sacrifice of U.S. soldiers, of their coalition allies and of Iraqis is horrifically painful. But if we can stay long enough to enable the Iraqis to lay the firm foundation of civil society, their deaths will not be in vain. We should leave when the elected Iraqi government asks us to do so.

It is the promise of freedom that the fascists who murdered the Iraqi teachers last month want to destroy. It is astonishing and discouraging that those who think they were taking the high ground in marching though Washington do not understand this."

AMEN!

1 posted on 10/09/2005 6:14:22 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Admin Moderator

would you change the title of article to
"Peace Is Not The Answer"
Thanks


2 posted on 10/09/2005 6:16:22 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
I was suprised this appear in the Los Angeles Times. Where the editors off their kool-aid?? Any way Shawcross is correct the Left doesn't care a whit about Arabs - its real bete noire is America. And as Jihad Cindy put it so subtly, its America that's the fount of all evil and has no right to exist.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 10/09/2005 6:18:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kellynla

Too many Americans believe peace is the ultimate humkan goal. They are wrong. The proper order of importance is:

1. Freedom

2. Liberty

3. Peace


4 posted on 10/09/2005 6:21:05 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: kellynla
It is the promise of freedom that the fascists who murdered the Iraqi teachers last month want to destroy. It is astonishing and discouraging that those who think they were taking the high ground in marching though Washington do not understand this.

Great piece! May it convert a limousine liberal or two.

5 posted on 10/09/2005 6:24:23 AM PDT by RedRover
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"I was suprised this appear in the Los Angeles Times. Where the editors off their kool-aid??"

Well ya know John Carroll & Michael Kinsley were both fired.
I wrote Carroll months ago(before he was fired) and told him that if he didn't' get the op-ed pieces off the front page news articles and hire a couple of conservative opinion writers to balance out the op-ed pages, he would soon be out of a job. He didn't and he was.


Semper Fi,
Kelly

PS The Times has since reduced the Sunday edition price by one third.
6 posted on 10/09/2005 6:27:13 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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The token conservative....


7 posted on 10/09/2005 6:28:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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"Great piece! May it convert a limousine liberal or two"

doubtful, but at least someone at the Times is paying attention. The Lefties are too jaded & hateful of GWB, the GOP, the military and America in general to care about this article or even be moved by it.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


8 posted on 10/09/2005 6:29:42 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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Stiil, their coming out in opposition to Prop. 73 shows their editorial staff is still tilted to the Left. The house cleaning isn't complete despite the departure of Carroll and Kinsley.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
9 posted on 10/09/2005 6:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"Stiil, their coming out in opposition to Prop. 73 shows their editorial staff is still tilted to the Left. The house cleaning isn't complete despite the departure of Carroll and Kinsley."


no question...but at least we have Michael Ramirez. LOL


10 posted on 10/09/2005 6:32:49 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hey, even a token is progress. The LA Times was beginning to look like Pravda.


11 posted on 10/09/2005 6:36:31 AM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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What was that object that just flew past my window? A pig was flying...........


12 posted on 10/09/2005 6:41:46 AM PDT by Zman
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What an outstanding editorial piece in the LA Times. Kudos to them for publishing the other side; they do it so rarely.


13 posted on 10/09/2005 6:47:43 AM PDT by Peach (Go Yankees!)
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To: kellynla

Peace is NOT about doing nothing. The do-nothings have it terribly wrong.


14 posted on 10/09/2005 6:56:03 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: kellynla

You are wasting your breath, or in this case your typing. Moore and that Leftwing Hollywood crowd is not the least bit interested in what happens to the Iraqi people. They are only interested in getting the Republicans out of power. They will ignore or use any set of "facts" to get what they want. They are a disgrace.

By the way, I have not seen a Hollywood movie in five years. I plan to live out the rest of my life without contributing one penny to them.


15 posted on 10/09/2005 7:50:53 AM PDT by kjo
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The LA Times was beginning to look like Pravda.

The big difference is that Pravda (www.pravda.ru and don't forget the "www") admits what it is right on the front page - an organ of the Russian Communist Party.

If only the LA Times were as honest about their political orientation.

16 posted on 10/09/2005 8:16:42 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: kjo
They are a disgrace.

They ARE a disgrace and the MSM pundits have been behaving like traitors to this country...we are at war and they let Cindy Sheehan get away with her crap...they let John Kerry skate on the Swift Boat charges while they swallowed the National Guard crap hook, line, and sinker...even during Katrina they knew damn well that it was Nagin and Blanco who fell down on the job and that GW did all he was able to do.

I HATE THEM...their agenda trumps everything but what can you expect from people who worship at the altar of abortion rights and dead babies? They are sell outs...they lack character...they have sacrificed their honesty and integrity in exchange for 30 pieces of silver. They can preen and gripe all they want...they are nothing...remember that old saying "Empty barrels make the most noise"...it describes them totally.

17 posted on 10/09/2005 8:36:28 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: kjo
I plan to live out the rest of my life without contributing one penny to them.

My sentiments exactly. If you have not disconnected your cable TV you might consider doing that also. I'm convinced that the only reason the MSM continues to survive is that people continue to fund them through cable. I will sign up for cable when I can choose, a la carte, which programs / channels I want to support. Otherwise I refuse to fund all the leftist crap. FR is good for me.

18 posted on 10/09/2005 8:46:08 AM PDT by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: kellynla
Zarqawi has also declared that if he is victorious, he will use Iraq as a base to drag down other regional governments and to mount attacks on the United States. Osama bin Laden has said that "the Third World War is raging in Iraq. The whole world is watching this war." All of which makes the antiwar opposition in the U.S. and Europe remarkably shortsighted and self-indulgent. We in the West have a vital stake in delivering on our promises and ensuring that terrorism does not move on to other victims, with even greater bloodlust.

Good read.

19 posted on 10/09/2005 9:28:30 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Shawcross isn't really a conservative. He was very much against the Vietnam war. I believe what happened after wards affected him and may have made him more clear-headed on this war.
20 posted on 10/09/2005 9:29:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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