Abortion and the Left (Pro-Life article by a leftist)

Democrats for Life Position Papers ^ | Vasu Murti

[gobucks]

I posted this article from this far left whacko for two reasons: one is this Tripoli reference. I had never heard of it. Given that I have many friends who home school their kids, and the Christian Foundation stuff is central to their discussion, ... well, I am seeking comments.

The other was the whole Democrats for Life movement. I don't know how big or little it is ... but heck, its very existence is a good, really good sign. And from the pure leftist point of view, he does nail exactly how inconsistent today's demonrats are..

[gobucks]

thanks for the inspiriation to hunt this down Crackingham...

[Bigh4u2]

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

[Alexander Rubin]

Thanks for posting. To be fair, America was not founded based on the Christian faith. It was founded on the basis of deism, which is far less denomination specific. But it was also founded based on precepts which are fundamentally Judeo-Christian, and from its start has been influenced more by Judeo-Christianity, especially protestant and particularly evangelical Christianity, than by most other influences.

Letters from and to the founding fathers reinforce this perspective. While they themselves are deist, and founding this new republic to be so, they are also clearly building on a base whose foundation was set by Judeo-Christianity. Moreover, those who ignore the fact that America has been heavily protestant throughout most of its history (though there has been almost from the start a rather large Catholic minority, and a very small, but very significant Jewish minority), are missing key facts.

Also, the article's points about abortion from a leftist perspective are valid. It's amazing these don't get trotted outmore. Moreover, as you said, they do nail how inconsistent today's Democrats are.

[R.W.Ratikal]

Actually, the average Democrat seen on TV and in Congress are the pro-abortionists' best arguments to justify abortion on demand.

[Tribune7]

I posted this article from this far left whacko for two reasons: one is this Tripoli reference.

Here's a link explaining it. It's usually taken out of context by those hostile to Christianity.

Here's one the secularists have more trouble with :-)

[keithtoo]

I have heard the Tripoli comments before. It's why I have disdain for diplomacy. Diplomacy could best be defined as 'polite lies'.

The US government was negotiting with Muslim pirates and Muslim run governments of North Africa who had routinely kidnapped Americans, mostly off of Libya.

This diplomatic rhetoric (ie: Lie) was told to the Muslims to make them easier to deal with.

If they thought that America were an officially Christian nation (just 300 years after being kicked out of Spain by force by 'officially' Christian Spain no less), they would have just killed the hostages, or certainly have just kept kidnapping them and kept demanding ransom.

[Procyon]

The American Medical Association promoted legislation to restrict the practice of theraputic abortions to its licenced members, cutting barbers and midwives and others out of the lucrative industry.

They weren't opposed to abortions, only to letting non-physicians do them.

[starfish923]

A friend of mine is married to an Algerian. She keeps claiming that he is "French," but he IS an Arab.
Anyway, she's learned all about Algerian-American relations.
I THINK that one of our FIRST foreign wars WAS with Algeria. It must have been one quiet war because it never made any history books I ever read.
So, our "foreign relations" with Algeria might have indeed started with this Tripoli thing.

[starfish923]

No group of people can call itself "civilized" when it murders its own future generation.
Birth control precludes the need for any abortion but the save-the-mother's-life. Perhaps incest and rape (since female is given no choice) might be cases for abortion as well.
Point: abortion is an EXTREME solution, not a birth control method for any CIVILIZED society.

[dirtboy]

In an article appearing in The Progressive, entitled "Abortion: The Left Has Betrayed the Sanctity of Life," writer Mary Meehan concluded: "It is out of character for the Left to neglect the weak and the helpless. The traditional mark of the Left has been its protection of the underdog, the weak, and the poor.

Oh, the left does a lot of contradictory stuff nowadays.

They extoll the first amendmendment while promoting McCain-Feingold.

And they praise democracy while actively undermining confidence in elections when they lose.

And they support freedom for the oppressed of the world until the United States actually does something to remove despots.

And that's just for starters.

[Past Your Eyes]

" "The same people who wax hysterical at the thought of executing, after countless appeals, a criminal convicted of some revolting crime would have insisted on his mother's unconditional right to have him killed while he was still innocent. The same people who organized a boycott of the Nestle Company for its marketing of infant formula in underdeveloped lands would have approved of the killing of those exploited infants only a few months before. The same people who talk incessantly of human rights are willing to deny the most helpless and vulnerable of all human beings the most important right of all."

If this kind of thinking should ever become prevalent in the Democratic party, it might just make me think about changing.

[gobucks]

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

Well well well ... the legacy of an grand master evolutionist extends to find historical documents, and posting them, which refutes the notion that America has primarily Christian roots.

This is quite revealing. Stephen would be proud.

PH, in the spirit of completeness, and Freeper good will (which I am too short of at times, but I just had good coffee and good breakfast ... pork suasage w/ eggs), I really think you should add this to your list of links.

[gobucks]

Many thanks for these links....

[AmericanChef]

Abortion is more a symptom of other social ills. A woman who would kill her own sprout is a cold individual, indeed (with extremely rare exceptions, of course). The coldness is the problem.

[gobucks]

from the link:

"The Treaty was broken in 1801 by the Pasha of Tripoli and renegotiated in 1805 after the First Barbary War, at which time Article 11 was removed."

Article 11 was removed? Why, that wasn't on SJG's list of links as I recall... interesting omission.

[Bigh4u2]

I just posted the link in response to your statement:

"one is this Tripoli reference. I had never heard of it. "

That's quite a leap to assume I'm an 'evolutionist'.

(pssst! I'm not)

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Abortion policy must be completely secular.

While I believe it shouldn't be totally secular - the secular side of the pro-life must be strengthened - people are put off by the life movement because they see it as being too religious, and indeed many people have difficulty accepting that you don't need to religious at all to believe that abortion is murder!

[Tribune7]

Article 11 was removed? Why, that wasn't on SJG's list of links as I recall... interesting omission.

:-)

[gobucks]

The coldness is the problem

I agree. But the solution to that problem? Coldness in a woman is not by any means a natural feature of her. She is born warm. She is made cold.

And without exception, the origin of that coldness is her biological Dad.

If a spiritual Dad doesn't come along to fix the mess, abortion, along w/ a lot of other maladies will appear in her. The nonsense grows and grows no different than when you unplug the fridge and leave it sit for a few weeks.

This is the field absent/neglectful fathers sow ... mold fields....

I know a Dad who is full aware of this. He takes his 12 year old daughter out on date nights routinely. She is not cold - she is very warm ... and I fully expect that she will remain so long after her Dad dies. Even more so, I would be amazed if she ever married a man who would neglect her such that coldness would grow within her....