Posted on 10/07/2005 4:03:19 AM PDT by gobucks
My goal isn't to prove the Bible true. I already know it's true. I just don't think students should be taught evolution is fact and I think ID should be taught also. But as I've said before, the real studies in evolution don't come until college.
Your mis-understanding and ignorance of what Evolution actually is is - well - staggering.
As is yours of ID.
Are you sure that your understanding of ID is complete? You realize that by accepting intelligent design, at least as it is formulated by those scientists who are seriously attempting to make scientific inquiry using ID, you accept:
1. That the universe probably orgininated in much the way described by current inflationary theory (ie. the Big Bang).
2. That the earth is approximately 5 billion years old.
3. That life probably formed on earth from nonliving matter, although possibly with some guidance from an overseeing intelligent being, and that the first living things were simple single-celled creatures.
4. That more complex organisms formed via a process of mutation and natural selection that is remarkably similar to that currently accepted by scientists under the evolutionary paradigm, but that the mutations were guided rather than unguided.
In short, beyond the notion that there is some intelligent being guiding the process, an untestable and hence unscientific notion, ID is very similar to evolution. ID, for example, does not deny that chimpanzees and humans share a common ancestor. ID in short is much more compatible with evolution and much more incompatible with any form of creationism.
Such ignorance of evolution. Since when has evolution postulated such transitions? Answer: NEVER. However, the virus is a differnet species, a differnt kind of thing. The virus only has 5 genes, I believe. one gene in different between the two species. That's a 20% change in it's genes and far greater than the genetic differneces between closely related mammilian species. That's a huge change and the ramifications for public health are enormous. But evolution doesn't happen so you have nothing to fear. I guess God just spontaneously causes new viruses to pop into existence out of nowhere, which is what ID teaches. So all the public health scientists are wasting their time studying avian viruses. After all, accoridng to the ID websites, a mutation in a single gene is harmful to an organism so a change in teh avian virus will not make it dangerous to humans. It will make it less healthy and less likely to spread. That's the garbage ID teaches and why it is a DANGER to educate people in such nonsense. But if we do educate people in ID and they choose to ignore the useful information supplied by evolution, they may be weeded out of the gene pool and their denial will go with them.
"But if we do educate people in ID and they choose to ignore the useful information supplied by evolution, they may be weeded out of the gene pool and their denial will go with them."
Then all you evos have nothing to worry about.
And most of those people who support ID, at least as science, are not scientists. ID is a substitution for creationsim, yough earth or old. ID may be a philosophy that is reasonable, but it is not science. The term micro-evolution, a term I first heard from creationists and capitulated that evolutionary changes do occur, is merely a subset of macro-evolution. If you belive in micro-evoultion, then you must believe in macro-evolution. One is contingent upon the other. Any yes, speices have evolved into different species. It has been demonstrated genetically. You should start reading the scientific literature and not the ID websites, whose content is full of lies and misconceptions.
So science will come down to what the majority beleives? Wonderful...
Maybe the flat earth society can start reproducing like rabbits and we can make science class even dumber. Don't sail too far now, you fall off the edge and the giant space dragon will swallow you whole.
Occam's Razor applies to problems of logic, not science.
We would rather work, through science, to avert and/or mitigate such a tragedy rather than simply pray it away.
Actually, according to the Flat Earther's, Antarctica is the boundary of the planetary disk. You can't sail off the edge.
What species evolved into a different species and when?
KeepUSfree is right. The scientific method is a rigorous, objective methodology. By rejecting this operating definition, you are proving that you want science to change to acept the non-objective, like the supernatural and ID. You are against science as it exists because it does not fit your religious preconceptions.
Oh well, maybe I can go back to "science" class in another 10 years and learn that. ;-)
Lookn it up in any freshman biology textbook. There are hundreds of examples of evolutionary trees.
No, I'm comparing one group who wants to inject a bunch of Hocus-Pocus into science with another group who wishes the same. As soon as someone offers up demonstrable evidence of either I'll change my mind but until then both should be discussed in philosophy of theology class where they belong.
Nonsense.
1 - Mohammed's understading of the nature of God is almost exactly the opposite of Jesus'.
2 - I do not, however, use the name "God" to delineate a theological proposition. I refer to God as the creator and sustainer of the universe, IOW, objective reality.
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