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Alaska Threatens to Yank N. Slope Leases
ap on Yahoo ^ | 10/5/05 | Matt Volz - ap

Posted on 10/05/2005 10:07:16 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 10/05/2005 10:07:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

AKA AK hardball.


2 posted on 10/05/2005 10:13:44 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: NormsRevenge

If this author wanted to inform readers what is really going on, he should have gone into more detail about Alaska's new tax and royalty demands on oil production... The oil companies are in a war with the state, delaying and halting production. I think the state got too greedy this time.


3 posted on 10/05/2005 10:19:28 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: NormsRevenge

"...and the appeal, will be fierce- said the spider to the fly..."


5 posted on 10/05/2005 10:24:52 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: NormsRevenge
In the mid 1990s a Canadian company built a gas pipeline halfway up the length of Sumatra, Indonesia, just to create steam to pump into oil wells to extract more oil and sell it into SE Asian markets. The price of gas/oil back then was nowhere near what it is now, yet they built it and achieved their goals.

Corridor Block Gas Project

Makes recent claims of gouging by Big Oil seem more credible.

6 posted on 10/05/2005 10:37:55 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Mount Athos
I think the state got too greedy this time.

This time?

Read the story: the Point Thomson land has been leased since 1977.

This is the ORIGINAL lease that they have been sitting on for 28 YEARS.

It does not fall under the new development lease pricing for leases issued later.

The oil company is waiting for ANWAR to open, and the gas line to be built. They can lay 30 miles of pipe and tie into the Trans Alaska Pipeline for shipping Oil, but they don't want to drill till they can extract both gas and oil.

7 posted on 10/05/2005 10:48:33 PM PDT by konaice
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You failed to read the story, not me.

The oil companies cited in the article explicitly stated these taxes and royalties as a major reason for the drilling delay in these areas. It's all part of the grand bargaining war. They're using a drill blockage on these lands as a bargaining chip.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 10:53:28 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
They're using a drill blockage on these lands as a bargaining chip.

These are the original leases with the original royalty agreements. Nothing has changed.

They are vary likely to lose thier leases, as there are a half dozen other companies willing to assume these leases at the original pricing.

9 posted on 10/05/2005 10:58:11 PM PDT by konaice
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You failed to comprehend both the article and what I wrote.
I give up.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 11:00:24 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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You failed to comprehend both the article and what I wrote.

I understood you precisely. But you are just plain wrong.

The oil the refuse to drill is 30 miles from the oil that they are already pumping. Both leases are at the same royalty rates. How can it be profitable to pump in one place but not another that is only 30 miles away?

11 posted on 10/05/2005 11:12:41 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice

You again confirm that you misread both the article and both items I have written. I do give up.


12 posted on 10/05/2005 11:16:53 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

This book (which is free to read at this site) goes into a lot of detail about the real problem.

What the energy scam really boils down to is the international community trying to build a new world order based on a global economy. Since so many countries have no other resource except oil, it is important that we prop up their economy by buying their oil. The only problem is all it has done is build a world full of enemies bent on our demise or destruction.


13 posted on 10/05/2005 11:50:11 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: Mount Athos

Well, you haven't made yourself very clear. When did Alaska change it's laws regarding royalties and did they make it retroactive to cover leases not drilled yet?


14 posted on 10/06/2005 2:16:41 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Mount Athos

Oops. Guess I asked the wrong person that question but I'm still curious about your contention the oil company is waiting for ANWAR to be opened up. It seems they must view this lease as not worth the expense until they can defray the costs by incorporating it into a much larger project. From a major oil company's perspective even several hundred million barrels of oil doesn't represent much of a play.


15 posted on 10/06/2005 2:20:42 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: NormsRevenge
It's about time. I live up here and the politics in this state are bizzare as anything that goes on in California.

Example I live i Fairbanks plumb in the center of the state and we have the pipeline that goes straight to a refinerary within 12 miles of Fairbanks yet the heating oil and gasoline that comes out of that refinery that is shipped by rail all the way to Anchorage is 8 or more cents cheaper per gallon than in the town it is refined in.

There have been a lot of under the table deals done here and how they continue to hold together no one seems to understand.

Example the oil in the pipeline is currently being pumped at a rate of about 40% of capacity the same rate as it was before Katrina., This is not due to a lack of oil in the fields, but it seems that the Oil companies are buying their oil in bulk from "unfriendly countries." Countries that charge much higher royalties per gallon than alaska gets.

Locally there was hot discussion on talk radio when talking about what Venezuala or Mexico and INdonesia gets for royalties as opposed to the state. Alaksa seems to be getting 50% less than these other places.

Apparently they are deliberately underpumping, which some say is illegal according to the lease and pipeline agreements with the state.

Anyway it appears that Frank Murkowski is starting to do some good. He was really hated when he first became governor. I personally think that the political morass up here is so complicated that it takes a while to get your feet and know how to get something done.

This place has probably three bureaucrats for every citizen.

Someone recently said the cost of state government in Alaska is 100,000 per citizen. And bear in mind we pay no state income tax here so guess where all this cash comes from?

I beleive that next to missisppi Alaska is proabably the largest welfare state per capita in the U.S. but no one wants to talk about that here. Talk is always of senator stevens and all the cash he pours in alaska. And there is some real fear of when he is gone what will become of this state.

16 posted on 10/06/2005 2:24:45 AM PDT by Rocketman
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Are you suggesting oil companies are withholding reserve numbers and refinery capacity in AK so as to make the market seem tighter and therefore affect the price of oil products to an artificially high margin?


17 posted on 10/06/2005 3:56:34 AM PDT by sully777 (The Religion Of Peace apparently kills!)
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To: Mount Athos
Our previous governor wanted to spend 10 billion from the permanent fund to build a new pipeline for the oil companies; and he was a democrat ha. Imagine what a corrupt repub would do for them? Old Murkowski is right on this one.

The oil companies have done well up here, buying off the politicals; they own both parties. That's the history of Alaska.

For 15 years, I've watched the legislators pass tax reform bills that give sweetheart incentives to promote oil production, and that's good but the least OIL could do is open up the flow.

Many years back, it was decided that Alaska's oil wealth would fund state government. If it ever comes down to forcing the people of Alaska (where less than 1% of the land is in the private sector) to fund government; you'll see democrats elected. People up here are socialists when it comes to state government programs but still hate taxes.

18 posted on 10/06/2005 7:36:40 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Rocketman
This is not due to a lack of oil in the fields

What fields do you claim are not being produced at their maximum sustainable flow rate with the existing infrastructure?

I beleive that next to missisppi Alaska is proabably the largest welfare state per capita in the U.S. but no one wants to talk about that here.

Let us talk about that. What other state has private ownership of land at less than 1% of the total area? What other state does the Federal Government own the majority of the land in an area larger than the state of Texas? What other State is tried to turn into a giant park by outsiders and is then surprised when it cannot support itself?

19 posted on 10/06/2005 8:43:52 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: konaice
The oil the refuse to drill is 30 miles from the oil that they are already pumping. Both leases are at the same royalty rates. How can it be profitable to pump in one place but not another that is only 30 miles away?

Because one is an oil field and Point Thompson is a gas field. They neglect to point out the the "liquid" from Point Thompson is Natural Gas Liquids that have to be separated from the Gas. And there is no pipeline to move the gas to market. It is estimated that the pipeline would cost between $12~$20 Billion dollars.

20 posted on 10/06/2005 8:55:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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