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This is what 'advice and consent' means (Ann Coulter)
wnd.com ^ | October 5, 2005 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 10/05/2005 4:03:47 PM PDT by perfect stranger

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To: Doc Savage

Not at all - I think the President has been honest about his drinking but why throw it in his face? Bush has many flaws - but his drinking is one of his triumphs - he gave it up - didn't he?

Meese and Bork are both 15-20 years older than Bush (don't know about Scalia), and that much wiser and I don't think anyone disagrees. My comment had more to do with Ann Coulter's style. I like her honesty but I find her abbrasive.


1,041 posted on 10/06/2005 8:15:09 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Cathy
Her "outrageousness" is absolutely no different in this column than in any other column she's written that has ever endeared you to her in any way. The only difference is who's on the receiving end of her treatment. The fact that it's someone you like doesn't mean she's "gone over the edge".

How many conservative commentators have gone to bat for Bush on this pick anyway? I don't think very many.

1,042 posted on 10/06/2005 8:15:57 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

Who are you?! "15 minutes of fame" is a figure of speech for someone who has "worn out their welcome." And for your information, I'm a regular contributor of opinion on this website. Do me a favor and don't send me any more of your condescending correspondence!


1,043 posted on 10/06/2005 8:16:15 AM PDT by PatriotBill
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To: SergeantsLady
I'm hopeful that Ms Miers will be a justice that we can & will be proud of...

I share your hope, but am also disappointed that once more all we have is hope, rather than a nominee whose qualifications and judicial philosophy are clear.

And Sandra Day O'Connor most certainly was a trail blazer in her profession

I thought this was about Miers, whom I contrasted with O'Connor (though maybe my phrasing was not clear.) I hardly think it is a trail-blazing achievement to be elected president of your local bar association four years after another woman has made it to the Supreme Court. And I don't think it's relevant as a qualification to serve on the court, either.

There are 9 Judges, having one of those Judges that's not from an elite school or insular back halls of the legal system, might bring a very needed practical viewpoint to their debates & eventual rulings.

I don't disagree with that sentiment, but there are other potential nominees who would have fit that descirption. Priscilla Owen (Baylor Law), who worked as an attorney for 17 years before first serving as a judge. Or Janice Rogers Brown, daughter of a sharecropper, who worked her way through UCLA Law as a widowed single mother.

Each of them meets the "outside the insular back halls" criteria, yet each has a solid judicial record, as well. I'm sure there are many, many more examples whose names I do not know, but who certainly were known to President Bush.

Yes, I'm praying and my fingers are also crossed...

Me, too...but also profoundly disappointed that prayers and crossed fingers are the best we could get...

1,044 posted on 10/06/2005 8:16:23 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: sinkspur

sorry. I deserve that. but I do agree with him.

The fact is that Bush ticked off a huge part of his base and there are a lot of liberals who understand why and are laughing up their sleves.


1,045 posted on 10/06/2005 8:18:17 AM PDT by TSchmereL (words.)
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To: PatriotBill
"15 minutes of fame" is a figure of speech for someone who has "worn out their welcome."

As many comments here have shown, she's still quite welcome among a lot of freepers.

Do me a favor and don't send me any more of your condescending correspondence!

Don't post condescending comments and you won't receive them.

1,046 posted on 10/06/2005 8:20:18 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: perfect stranger
You know I agree with Ann's sentiments here, but she really hurts her argument by resorting to ad hominem attacks regarding Bush's past drinking indiscretions.
1,047 posted on 10/06/2005 8:21:01 AM PDT by CWW (Mark Sanford for President on 2008!)
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To: sinkspur

Mike Savage just happens to be the smartest, most entertaining manic-depressive alcoholic on the radio! He is also right more than half the time. And when he is not right, he is just too right.


1,048 posted on 10/06/2005 8:22:24 AM PDT by TSchmereL (words.)
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To: inquest

You don't know my opinion on Ann's previous columns so you can't really make that judgement - see post 1041.

I have always found her abrasive and have argued over her "style" with many people. Do I agree with her most of the time? Yes. Do I like her style? Sometimes it is a bit much. Again - it is an opinion.

BTW, I am not too exicted about this nomination. I don't base my opinion on conservative columnists - although I do weigh their opinions.


1,049 posted on 10/06/2005 8:25:06 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: perfect stranger
First, Bush has no right to say "Trust me." He was elected to represent the American people, not to be dictator for eight years. Among the coalitions that elected Bush are people who have been laboring in the trenches for a quarter-century to change the legal order in America. While Bush was still boozing it up in the early '80s, Ed Meese, Antonin Scalia, Robert Bork and all the founders of the Federalist Society began creating a farm team of massive legal talent on the right.

My respect for her is now an all time low.....yes Ann....Bush was elected to represent the American People.....but he isn't holding his finger up in the air to see which way the wind blows....we trust him for who is he...not who we want him to be......and your comment "when Bush was still boozing it up" is an attack that was immature and unwarranted. I suppose your perfect? Let's talk about your past....oopps ...we don't know anything....let me see...ever try drugs? Pre-marital sex? Use the Lords name in vain? Drive drunk? Puke up your food?

1,050 posted on 10/06/2005 8:29:56 AM PDT by Fawn (Try Not----Do or Do not ~~ Yoda)
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To: Fawn
but he isn't holding his finger up in the air to see which way the wind blows

Either that's exactly what he's doing, or he's a lib himself, because it's rather clear that he picked her because he didn't want to fight with the libs.

1,051 posted on 10/06/2005 8:33:20 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

Attention: Idiot
See my previous response to your jibberish. I said, "Don't send me any more of your ignorant correspondence...Understand?"


1,052 posted on 10/06/2005 8:43:27 AM PDT by PatriotBill
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To: PatriotBill
When you become in charge of this forum, you'll be in a position to make those demands. In the meantime, see my response to your whining.
1,053 posted on 10/06/2005 8:49:10 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: perfect stranger

It took me a couple of days to decide my take on the Miers nomination. My first instinct was simply to sigh. I have never been a Bush enthusiast, but I withheld condemnation of Bush on the basis of SCOTUS and SCOTUS only, (and of course the Dems insistance on finding the most replusive candidate possible).

After a couple of days, I conclude that Miers is Pro-Life (good), but doesn't have an underlying motivation (set of core principles) that motivate her. I disagree with Coulter's take that the SCOTUS appointees have to be the best legal minds out there. If that were the case, we should disregard Bork's age, and put him on. Too old? Where is age listed as a disqualifier. It isn't. And neither is being an Ivy leaguer. If you think that political considerations are not part of the equation, you are on a different planet, or possibly in a different dimension.

I suspect Miss Coulter in this case is blinded by her own background as a Cornell educated constitutional law attorney. This sort of reminds me of Socrates' quest to find wisdom, and every expert he went to seemed to find THE Truth in his profession (to the poet, it was poetry). Miss Coulter is upset because so many more "educated" people are being bypassed.

Well, in real life, the greatest singers don't sell the most CDs. Many talented actresses can only mutter under their breath as the see Reese Witherspoon and her chin starring in another top money-maker.

Coulter also maintains that those who survive the Ivy Leragues are battle tested and ready. Many more are compromised somewhere along the way, including W himself.

I am not inspired by Meiers, but if W doesn't have the will to fight for this, it is too late to pick another president.

I fear the political fallout of forcing another nomination may have unintended consequences.

After the Bork debacle, his replacement was not Kennedy, it was Douglas Ginsburg. Well, it turns out that Doug took some tokes of Mary Jane in his ill-spent time in college, and some conservatives and a number of temporarily temperance-minded Dems piled on for fun. Ginsburg got pulled and Anthony Kennedy (one of those smart guys who was supposed to be reliably conservative after his time in Hah-vuhd Law, doncha know?) was the replacement. Do any of us conservatives regret pushing to drop Ginsburg? I think I do, and I never touched the wacky weed.

I believe that Bush made a mistake in choosing Meiers, because it is splitting the conservative base deeply, and that he should have foreseen that. I also believe that more damage would be done if we pull Meiers and put up another. If Bush doesn't have the will to fight for Janice Rogers Brown, we can't stop him again if he puts up Edith Clement for SCOTUS.

I still sigh when I think of what might have been. But I also believe that Bush has minimally met my personal requirements. That gets him a C. It is time for us to work on getting someone in who will be an A (e.g. Brownback)

One last word on the Coulter column. I went to schools that were selective and full of bright people. I have also attended schools that were completely non-selective.I was in the Chicago Debating Society with a fellow who went to the same law school as Ann, and worked with her at the Center for Individual Rights. The Chancellor of the Chicago Debating Society was a bright (though liberal) U of Chicago Law Student. These guys are human beings, not geeks or nerds, and I can tell you that a student from SMU, or the University of Wyoming (Cheney) or Eureka College (Ronaldus Maximus) can demonstrate a better understanding of the Constitution than Harvard educated traitor Anthony Kennedy. (Ann, I imagine that even Ivy educated lawyers who don't specialize in the field have to do additional research if an obscure Admiralty law issue comes up, just like SMU grads do! If you don't watch it, somebody will try to make a distinction between first tier law schools Harvard, Yale, U of Chicago and second tier ones like, ummmmmm Cornell)


1,054 posted on 10/06/2005 8:50:30 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: inquest

Attention: Idiot, Part 2

"Stop all of your ignorant correspondence that is aimed at me!"


1,055 posted on 10/06/2005 8:51:46 AM PDT by PatriotBill
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To: PatriotBill
Why would I do a thing like that? I haven't had this much entertainment on FR in quite some time.
1,056 posted on 10/06/2005 9:00:41 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: perfect stranger
Thanks for posting this! I agree with Ann Coulter wholeheartedly.

The scoreboard so far for anyone keeping track of notable conservative intellectuals opposed to (or dismayed at the news of) Harriet Miers' nomination include:

* Laura Ingraham
* George Will
* Ann Coulter
* William Kristol - Weekly Standard
* David Frum - National Review
* Mark Levin
* Terrence Jeffery - Human Events

Those who have been defending the Miers nomination here and at Lucianne.com are good dependable right-of-center people. But you all are glomming on to a faith that Bush picked someone who will be a "good vote."

But really, no one has been able to argue she'd be a "good justice" - there is no evidence, experience, track record, first hand account from anyone who is considered a conservative legal scholar or someone knowledgeable about the Supreme Court who looks at Harriet Miers and sees an Antonin Scalia, William Rehnquist or Clarence Thomas.

1,057 posted on 10/06/2005 9:29:09 AM PDT by Impeach98
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To: flashbunny
"I don't know, but the real irony here is that many of the people who will be making personal attacks on ann coulter were the same ones saying Miers would be a good pick because she's a 'Christian'.

Some of the most unchristian behavior I've seen on this board has come from people who put themselves off as being 'Christians'.

I guess their particular view of Christianity doesn't include avoiding personal attacks. Or detecting irony."

Thank you for posting that. I've thought that rather bizarre myself the past few days reading posts here at FR and Lucianne.

1,058 posted on 10/06/2005 9:33:29 AM PDT by Impeach98
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To: PatriotBill
"Dear Ann, Your 15 minutes of fame expired...Refer back to Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment and STFU!!!"

Right, Ann's 15 minutes of fame she has enjoyed for the last 5 years has "expired." The depth of your intellect rivals that of a can of tuna. BTW, when you have to use STFU, you automatically lose the arguement.

1,059 posted on 10/06/2005 9:37:24 AM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: inquest

No---that's not clear. He picked her because he has trust in her and has said that she was the most qualified in his eyes.


1,060 posted on 10/06/2005 9:38:35 AM PDT by Fawn (Try Not----Do or Do not ~~ Yoda)
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