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Bush wants right to use military if bird flu hits
My Way News ^ | Oct 4, 2:50 PM (ET) | Charles Aldinger

Posted on 10/05/2005 10:51:13 AM PDT by tjbravo

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To: The Last Rebel

"The answer to everything lately is "the military". True Americans should be very alarmed at this"


Ah! A glimmer of light. Very,very refreshing


41 posted on 10/05/2005 11:25:23 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: The Last Rebel

People did not travel on planes back then. It could be spread in just a few hours to many parts of the country.


42 posted on 10/05/2005 11:26:04 AM PDT by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: 43north
Sorry but I don't think your arguments are rational. The US military is NOT the enemy of US citizens in times of dire straits.

They may not be. However what does the law state? You do it once, the next time another excuse is given you will have no ground to stand on protesting it.

BTW, the US Army lost more soldiers to influenza in WW I than were lost in combat. At Camp Devens in Massacheusetts, over 100 previously healthy 18 & 19 y/o soldiers

Your point? Why should how many soldiers lost to disease affect the fact that US Armed Forces have been specifically ordered by law not to operate on US soil?

If H5N1 mutates to infect by person-to-person contact, NO ONE will be safe from it. NOT using the military to help would be an act of madness.

Except you just stated that 100 soldiers were dying a day for over two months. If no one is safe from it, what's the point of putting forces on the ground that will be just as suspectible to the disease as I am? If they have been immunized against it, I would rather private industry provide me the same vaccine at what they feel is market price. I'll choose to protect my land and property myself without the 'help' of armed troops thank you.

43 posted on 10/05/2005 11:27:37 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: MamaB

Operator, won't you help me please?


44 posted on 10/05/2005 11:27:42 AM PDT by Leonine
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To: 43north

My question is if they consider it dangerous enough for that then why arent they doing something about the appalling lack of antivirals and flu vaccines available.


45 posted on 10/05/2005 11:29:24 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: billbears

"It disturbs me that so many that consider themselves conservative would be willing to hand any portion of control to the military on our home soil"


For quite some time I thought the differentiation between conservatives and neo-conservatives was a figment of someone's inmagination, a wedge to divide us. Observing the discussions on FR lately, I am beginning to think that there is a difference and not a small one.


46 posted on 10/05/2005 11:30:10 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: Leonine

Why does that matter?

What is wrong with our country, as a whole, at all levels, discussing the problem and the possible solutions?

There is really only one organization in the country that can perform on the national level cohesively to enact a policy of quarantine and humanitarian medical assistance. That is the military. That does not mean that the military is the best answer. That's what the discussion is supposed to explore, and a lot can be learned from the military on how best to implement a national policy.

The discussion that is to take place is to help clarify the capabilities of the military, the possibilities of non-military responses, and how best to save lives and preserve our nation in the face of an infectious outbreak.

Bush posed the questions. He didn't propose a solution. He just mentioned one of the options.


47 posted on 10/05/2005 11:31:13 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: The Last Rebel

I lost two homes and a business in Katrina. I have experienced Local, State, Private, and Military aid. While I appreciate all of the people lending support, the Military rises far above all others. When shown appreciation for their help, these fine people will bend over backwards to do whatever they can to help. They do it in effficient military style also!

LLS


48 posted on 10/05/2005 11:34:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: 43north

Sorry but I don't think your arguments are rational. The US military is NOT the enemy of US citizens in times of dire straits.


The military is fine, but the military is controlled by the politicians (both plusses and miuses on that subject).


49 posted on 10/05/2005 11:35:06 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: 43north
Remember what happened the last time the military was involved with a viral outbreak?


50 posted on 10/05/2005 11:35:51 AM PDT by sono
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To: tjbravo

They won't have to quarantine me.

I will be hiding in the bunker waiting for spring.


51 posted on 10/05/2005 11:35:54 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: billbears
"I'll choose to protect my land and property myself without the 'help' of armed troops thank you."

And that, is what it will come to if such a devastating thing were to happen. I would think the military personal would be quarantined AWAY to protect THEM, so they can be available to protect the nation after the epidemic passes, and against any foriegn threats which may try move in. Police action is done by the national guard in each state if needed, right?

52 posted on 10/05/2005 11:36:33 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 43north
Interestingly, while other countries such as Sweden did call out the army and put the country under a virtual martial law response in the US was decentralized and local. And this was in the midst of participating in WW1. Maybe Americans of the past really did have more faith in themselves than they do now. Today every adversity is met with cries for the fedgov to step in and make everything right. Indeed the very notion that there are and will be calamities is seen as being 'hostile and unfeeling'.
53 posted on 10/05/2005 11:36:46 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Leonine

Why is the same discussion taking place in Australia, Italy, and the UK for entirely different reasons--all within the last month? Source: Vox Day.



I did not know this, but it would not be surprising. Oops, my hat may be showing.


54 posted on 10/05/2005 11:37:56 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: coconutt2000

The reasons that Australia and the UK are giving for extraordinary military control are not "humanitarian." Blair and the Aussie PM are using different reasons for reaching the same outcome in their nations: extraordinary military control.


55 posted on 10/05/2005 11:38:04 AM PDT by Leonine
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To: billbears

But if Bill Clinton had proposed this, the thread would be 1,000 posts long or more by now.


56 posted on 10/05/2005 11:40:25 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: The Last Rebel

To die of it.


57 posted on 10/05/2005 11:40:58 AM PDT by ASOC (Insert clever tagline here: _______)
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To: David Isaac

It's not conspiratorial. This is just current thinking.


58 posted on 10/05/2005 11:41:35 AM PDT by Leonine
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To: Leonine

Taking one look at the make up of our country, the Federal system, and our military - your fear is misplaced.

I think your fears for the UK and AU are also misplaced paranoia.


59 posted on 10/05/2005 11:42:40 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000

Your timing is impeccable. LOL!


60 posted on 10/05/2005 11:43:30 AM PDT by Leonine
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