Austria refuses to budge on Turkey

The Australian ^ | October 03 2005

[GOPJ]

Thanks for the ping.

[Alter Kaker]

I say Islamic Turkey is not to be trusted. Turkey can show some good faith by returning St. Sophia to it's original builders but that will never happen.

Turkey should return Hagia Sophia when Spain returns the Alhambra.

[Major_Risktaker]

Turkey should return Hagia Sophia when Spain returns the Alhambra.

Good deal, who should receive the Alhambra?

[Republic of Texas]

How did the US get into the EU?

[Alter Kaker]

Good deal, who should receive the Alhambra?

I'm not sure, but it's obvious the Hagia Sophia needs to go to the Byzantine Emperor, wherever he is.

[Grzegorz 246]

And your point is... ?

[Conservomax]

For one, it will keep Muslims in Europe.

[Grzegorz 246]

"The euro-racists have had them jumping through hoops with the promise of EU membership for decades now, and the Turks have done nothing but ask "how high?"."

Exactly.

[Grzegorz 246]

"Any EU member state that holds a referendum on Turkish accession will reject it by a supermajority"

Really ? I don't think so.

[Stultis]

Really ? I don't think so.

I'm not so sure. You've got the fact that Turkey is still largely a developing nation, you've got the fact that it's citizens are relatively dark skinned, you've got the fact that it's Muslim, you've got the fact that it has a (relatively) strong and effective military, and you've got the fact that it's an ally of Israel.

So many converging European bigotries are triggered here...

[Grzegorz 246]

I know It, but in many new EU members over half of population support membership for Turkey, so I didn't agree with "any" and "supermajority".

[thepainster]

I can see geography is not your strong suite.

Turkey is in both Europe and Asia, bridged by the Bosphorus straight.

[knighthawk]

Too bad they gave in :(

[knighthawk]

I added you to the list.

[Enchante]

The fact that around 3% of the land area of Turkey is on the European side of the straights is irrelevant to my point. Why do you think that tiny sliver of land and population makes Turkey 'European'?? In population, culture, and history Turkey is most obviously NOT European. Bringing Turkey into the EU means massive agricultural subsidies to what will now be one of the poorest EU nations and further pushing the EU in a direction which is the opposite of what they should be doing.

[Grzegorz 246]

Should Turkey join the EU? YES - white NO - red


Should Ukraine join the EU? YES - tan NO - blue


srednia UE - average EU
Austria - Austria
Belgia - Belgium
Cypr - Cyprus
Czechy - Czech Rep.
Dania - Denmark
Estonia - Estonia
Finlandia - Finland
Francja - France
Grecja - Greece
Hiszpania - Spain
Holandia - Holland
Irlandia - Ireland
Litwa - Lithuania
Luksemburg - Luxemburg
Lotwa - Latvia
Malta - Malta
Niemcy - Germany
Polska - Poland
Portugalia - Portugal
Slowacja - Slovakia
Slowenia - Slovenia
Szwecja - Sweden
Wegry - Hungary
Wielka Brytania - Great Britain
Wlochy - Italy

[A. Pole]

They should. The euro-racists have had them jumping through hoops with the promise of EU membership for decades now, and the Turks have done nothing but ask "how high?".

If you like Turkey so much, why don't you move there?

[apro]

Vienna--September 11, 1683
Smyrna--September 11, 1922
New York--September 11, 2001

Quiz:
How are these dates connected?

[apro]

[quote]I'm not so sure. Much of Greece isn't anywhere near as developed: culturally, economically, politically as Turkey.[quote]

Are you kidding me? They own most of the banking systems in the Balkans and rank among the top 5 shipping powers in the world. Greek business alone created over thousands of job in many Balkan countries. The UN Human Development Index (HDI) which measures the poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, and other factors for countries worldwide ranks Greece among its top 30 developed countries.

Greece - ranked 24
Cyprus - ranked 29
Turkey - ranked 94

[apro]

[quote]In my view, for Turkey to join, some way will have to be found so that not a single EU nation votes on approving membership, because I think the voters of every single EU nation will reject Turkey easily.[quote]

If that vote falls on the general population of the Europeans, there is no way Turkey would gain membership.

"Europeans Reject Turkey, Poll Shows"

Turkey's campaign to join the EU suffered a blow yesterday when a survey found that only just over a third of Europeans back its membership.
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-18-2005-73356.asp

The politicians on the other hand, are another story.