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Massachusetts Should Close Down OpenDocument
FOX News ^ | September 28, 2005 | James Prendergast

Posted on 09/29/2005 8:52:01 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

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To: Golden Eagle

" TCP/IP was created by the US federal government."

Wow, you've managed to quote back to me an almost accurate but very sparse version of what I previously posted.

I guess that makes you an expert!

Again,what is your tech experience?

What is your experience with open protocols?


101 posted on 09/29/2005 9:54:14 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle

Microsoft formats have been imperfectly reverse engineered. Reverse engineering of something like the .doc format is extremely difficult to do. Has Microsoft made an irrevocable offer of all past, existing, and future .doc/.xls/.mdb/etc-related patents offer to anyone who wants to implement the format? Is the offer free and unconditional?


102 posted on 09/29/2005 9:54:24 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: flashbunny
Is [Golden Eagle] ever going to answer a direct question?

Sure...the day that we see truth in advertising from Microsoft...


103 posted on 09/29/2005 9:54:50 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: PAR35
Please point me to some free software for creating PDF files.

Well, anything I can print with my Mac can be saved as a .pdf file. This is a built-in part of the OS. Yes, for the most part I pay for the software to create the content, but once I have it created, making it into a .pdf is free.

Of course, I had to pay for the OS somewhere along the line, but the last time I looked people had to pay for Windows also.

104 posted on 09/29/2005 9:55:19 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Prime Choice
see his reply #98...he tries to sound like he knows what tcp/ip is by fudging a short sentence together from things I've already posted. Hah.

With his avoidance of answering direct, relevant questions, I'm really thinking he has no tech experience at all. Otherwise, if he claimed he had some, he could be questioned on it.
105 posted on 09/29/2005 9:56:42 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: flashbunny

Perhaps he's a bot.


106 posted on 09/29/2005 9:57:29 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Golden Eagle
"I think you must have meant"

It can be written or read by any software which includes support for the freely available document format. OpenOffice is one product which supports it. Sun Microsystems' StarOffice commercial product is another. KOffice also supports the format, and Corel has said that their Wordperfect suite will add support for it. Thus far, I believe Microsoft is the only one dragging behind, but I'm sure they'll copy someone else's implementation in no time.
107 posted on 09/29/2005 9:57:32 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Redcloak
Can't be. His repertoire is much too limited. No self respecting bot author would put something so ridiculously predictable out in the world.

Wait, if it's a microsoft bot, then maybe they would do something like that. After all, they are the company that designed activeX and microsoft BOB!
108 posted on 09/29/2005 10:00:40 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: flashbunny
I'm starting to wonder if he's the clone of the lobotomized Steve Ballmer...y'know...the one we all saw prancing around the stage like he was auditioning for Planet of the Apes.
109 posted on 09/29/2005 10:01:05 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Prime Choice

DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!


110 posted on 09/29/2005 10:02:41 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Gunslingr3
I disagreed with the anti-trust lawsuits brought against Microsoft.

Your introductory 3 paragraphs sure didn't give that impression.

Microsoft just fears it won't have MA taxpayers stuck on it's useless Office product upgrade cycle anymore when their are free word processors and spreadsheet programs available to use.

Wrong, if they were worried about that they'd simply impelement the format, they have historically provided more compatiblity filters than any other vendor, and ones that worked.

This is about MA taking a radical position that disallows the industry standard product while claiming they are doing it in the name of user access. They are claiming they want the formats "open" but ignore Microsoft's existing open format compatibility and the open nature of their future standard formats. MA is instead insisting on software formats endorsed by radical leftist Richard Stallman, and his GPL license, which is incompatible by nature with any products that contain software patents, even if the rights to use those patents freely is given away.

There's a line developing, theologically, and practically, between those who believe in intellectual property and those who don't. The liberals in MA, just like the communist governments across the world who have passed similar mandates, are on the side of Stallman and the free software fanatics. Microsoft, and other closed source software companies that believe in effective intellectual property enforcement, are on the other. This is a political issue, I've been out front since the beginning, and I believe the existing caplitalistic point of view will previal, no matter how many shrieking liberals are out there. In the end, they're nothing but noise that actually discredits their own cause.

111 posted on 09/29/2005 10:04:12 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: RushingWater
I bought a used PC and my Windows won't validate.

It wasn't working when you bought it?

112 posted on 09/29/2005 10:06:17 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

"In the end, they're nothing but noise that actually discredits their own cause."

Actually, that's what you do all the time.

So, what's your tech experience, and/or your working knowledge of open protocols?


113 posted on 09/29/2005 10:07:11 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Prime Choice

Open Office has a 2.0 release candidate! Kewl. Time to move beyond the beta.

Every successive beta version has loaded and run faster.


114 posted on 09/29/2005 10:07:15 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: flashbunny
After all, they are the company that designed activeX and microsoft BOB!

I've seen many horrors in my day...McDonald's "food," Starbucks "coffee," and even clothing styles championed by singing bellybuttons...but nothing prepared me for the sheer, naked horror of Microsoft BOB!   NOTHING!

115 posted on 09/29/2005 10:07:46 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Golden Eagle
This is about MA taking a radical position that disallows the industry standard product while claiming they are doing it in the name of user access.

Microsoft is disallowing itself, by refusing to implement ODF.

116 posted on 09/29/2005 10:09:43 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: Prime Choice

I've forgotten. Did Bill become involved with Melinda before or after she was put in charge of Bob?


117 posted on 09/29/2005 10:09:57 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Prime Choice

Notice how they still kept the dog from 'bob' and put him in with the search feature for windows xp?

One of the first things I did when I installed XP was to disable the stupid dog. And then I disabled a bunch of startup programs that microsoft puts on its bloated default startup.


118 posted on 09/29/2005 10:10:50 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Gunslingr3
I've read that article, it's a total sham. The very first line says:

Opinion: Switch to OpenDocument format will make state documents more accessible to the public because anyone can have the software to read the format.

What he doesn't tell you is basically NO ONE has the software to read or write this format.

If MA wanted to be taken seriously, and realistically wanted to create a format that everyone could easily read, they would have worked with the company that created and maintains the current industry standards, to develop an acceptable open format, instead of running off with some obscure crap no one has or wants, and threatening to lock MS out from the begining. Unfortunately that's what they did, and the result is they look like idiots that care more about making a political statement than actually making things better for their constituents.

119 posted on 09/29/2005 10:13:19 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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MA says that all the tires it uses on state vehicles must be round.

Microsoft, which has been making a fortune with its clunky 'octagon' tire design, protests, saying taxpayers, capitalism, and cute little puppy dogs will suffer if it is forced to make round tires.

If that sounds absurd, it's actually less absurd than the truth. All MS is worried about is other companies possibly benefiting because MA residents aren't locked into a MS file format.


120 posted on 09/29/2005 10:14:14 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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