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Rita sends rural Texans back to 'caveman days'
The Lufkin Daily News ^ | September 29, 2005 | PAM EASTON

Posted on 09/29/2005 6:51:28 AM PDT by RoseyT

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To: RoseyT
And I'm still sitting here wondering where the hell the MSM is and why they aren't on my tv screen screaming about these people needing help

The folks are mostly the wrong color, and even if they are the right color, they aren't the pitiful helpless victim types, they are people who actually work for a living.

21 posted on 09/29/2005 8:20:19 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: A Texan
Our society has had functioning electricity for what 100 years or so and people can't make-it-by for 5 days without it?

They had wood or coal stoves, and kerosene or oil lamps. Don't see many of those around anymore. Unless you happen to have a propane grill, and enough propane to cook 3 meals a day for a week, you're going to have problems. You might not even have utensils suitable for cooking, or even boiling water, on that grill, other than throwing a hunk of cow or some chicken on it.

22 posted on 09/29/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: RoseyT

Y'all seem to forget there is more'n one way for a country boy to get to town!


23 posted on 09/29/2005 9:15:29 AM PDT by OldBullrider
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To: RoseyT
"Well, when the water that comes out of your faucet gets there because it's being pumped by a facility which is powered by ELECTRICITY..."

First, people should be planning ahead of time. Second, you can collect water in many different way's and sterilize it by boiling, adding iodine and a couple of other different methods. You may be dirty after a few days but you should be able to improvise for a few days.

"Gas up your car and leave the area? And go where? There's not a vacant hotel room or shelter within a 100 mile radius of this area"

It is not like these people have be picked up and moved to a deserted island. Don't get me wrong, I feel for them, but cars are able to get into the area then are are able to get out. Assuming you still have a car, 5 gallons of gas can get you plenty far and to area's that do have running water. What's that you say you don't have any gas, try emptying the gas from your lawn mower, siphon it from a car with a tree on top of it. IMPROVISE!!!

So again I propose the question, have we become so dependent on our cars and electricity that we can not make do without it.
24 posted on 09/29/2005 10:56:58 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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25 posted on 09/29/2005 10:58:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: El Gato
"They had wood or coal stoves, and kerosene or oil lamps. Don't see many of those around anymore."

Yup you may be right, but there still is wood out there right? Hell, this is East Texas, there is wood every where. Collect some wood, put it on the ground or in a grill, light it and wala, FIRE! You can cook stuff now.

"Unless you happen to have a propane grill, and enough propane to cook 3 meals a day for a week"

3 meals a day?!?! So cut it down to 2 meals a day or 1. IMPROVISE!!!

"You might not even have utensils suitable for cooking, or even boiling water, on that grill, other than throwing a hunk of cow or some chicken on it."

Dear lord, if people can't survive without utensils they have bigger problems to worry about. A stick can work, a small flat piece of metal can work, my choice would actually be my hands but the lack of manners would upset my Mom. And if you can't find a pot, an empty can, a bowl, something, then you are now living on the Moon.

On another note, lack of fresh cow and chicken might be a problem so, thats why some very smart people invented "caning" and "packaged" food. You may not be living like a king, but a freaking hurricane just hit your town, it is time to improvise. Sorry if this sounds harsh, I just think that if we as human beings can't improvise and always have to rely on "government" or some big entity to solve our problems then the human race is screwed.
26 posted on 09/29/2005 11:18:11 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: RoseyT
Most of these rural folks know how to get along perfectly well without modern conveniences. A good portion of them do it voluntarily by going camping. The only problem I foresee for them short term is a lack of clean water, and if they prepared for that eventuality they will be okay. Do I like having modern conveniences like running water, electricity, and central heating and air? Yep. Do I NEED them? Nope. Most rural people have the same attitude of self reliance and independence and will be just fine.
27 posted on 09/29/2005 5:25:43 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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On another note, lack of fresh cow and chicken might be a problem so, thats why some very smart people invented "caning" and "packaged" food.

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam. Hey, it might be "crazy tasty", but in an emergency...you take what you can get.

28 posted on 09/29/2005 5:28:45 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: RoseyT

This is what the great majority of Americans will go through if Al Qaeda ever attacks the US electrical grid.

If you don't have thirty days stored water, (one gallon per person per day) and the same amount of canned or boxed food, you are in for a huge surprise.

If you do have such supplies and you don't lock your doors, keep the lights off (candles and lanterns) after dark, you will be forced to share or else have your supplies taken from you.

Not only do you need to be prepared to survive without electricity, (main issues, no refrigeration and no pumps to move water or gasoline), you need to encourage your neighbors to do the same.

Failure to do so will result in you living through exactly what you are seeing these hurricane survivors doing on tv.


29 posted on 09/29/2005 5:39:42 PM PDT by jeffers
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The folks are mostly the wrong color, and even if they are the right color, they aren't the pitiful helpless victim types, they are people who actually work for a living.

You have that right. I live in Lake Charles and it's going to be a few more weeks before we have enough infrastructure to go back home. The media is trying to make this normal result of a major hurricane into some sinister plot against poor people. It's not working.

30 posted on 09/29/2005 7:28:55 PM PDT by CajunConservative (Lake Charles, LA)
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To: jeffers
"Failure to do so will result in you living through exactly what you are seeing these hurricane survivors doing on tv."

Oh, I have no doubt about that! My husband and I take preparedness very seriously and I've been trying to talk to my extended family members about it for a while. Kinda funny...ever since last Friday they have shown a lot more interest in the whole subject.

Anyway, regarding the hurricane survivors, maybe I'm too soft-hearted but it's hard for me to have no sympathy for their situation especially if they did what was suggested on the local news and had supplies for 3 days and after 5 days still haven't received outside help, especially considering the extinuating circumstances of evacuees placing such a strain on gas and food availability.

31 posted on 09/29/2005 7:40:03 PM PDT by RoseyT (Lufkin)
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Dear lord, if people can't survive without utensils they have bigger problems to worry about

Cooking utensils, you know, pots and pans and such, not eating utensils. You've got to have a pot of some sort, and it has be compatible with a grill or open wood fire, just to boil water. Sure a big can will do, if you've got a big can. If you can get water to boil that is.

Sure you should have the water in your hot water heater, and it shouldn't need to be boiled, although it wouldn't hurt. And a bit of bleach will probably kill whatever might be in your hot water tank. If the pipes aren't broken, and for the most part I don't see why they would be, you should still have water pressure at least for awhile, since the water in the overhead tanks that are common in most parts of Texas should last quite a while. Nobody's going to be watering lawns or washing cars, nor even washing clothes, except by hand in the bathtub. That's if you are in a town. If you are rural, you probably have your own well, but not much water in storage, if any. In that case you really should have a generator or if your well is reasonably shallow, a hand pump. I've no idea how deed the aquifers are over there.

32 posted on 09/29/2005 8:14:03 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: A Texan
Yup you may be right, but there still is wood out there right?

Mostly wet and/or green. But if you can find a small amount that isn't, you can fix that in sort order.

33 posted on 09/29/2005 8:15:37 PM PDT by El Gato
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I feel for them, but cars are able to get into the area

Some places they are, some they aren't yet. The place is a forrest, you know full of trees. You can't drive over them, and many of them are now down, blocking the roads, and making passage through the big thicket itself very problematic for vehicles. You can walk out I'm sure.

34 posted on 09/29/2005 8:17:57 PM PDT by El Gato
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On another note, lack of fresh cow and chicken might be a problem so, thats why some very smart people invented "caning" and "packaged" food.

My point was that you'll probably have to eat that stuff cold, unless you've got cooking utensils. (Although canned stuff can be heated in the *opened* can. I recommend removing the label too.

Another point is that if no one comes in to help, it's going to more than just few days. I'm sure it will be more than a few days before they get electricity, except maybe in the larger towns, and even there it depends on how badly the lower levels of the distribution system are damaged.

My folks were out of power for something like a week after an ice storm. And that was reasonably localized, so they were able to bring crews in from nearby areas. This storm was widespread and followed another widespread storm which sucked away the not so nearby crews.

Dad insisted on staying in the house, living the somewhat warmer basement, but Mom went to my brother's house, which since it had underground power lines, got power back quickly if it ever lost it. The ice melted right away, and aside from those stations which still had no power for their pumps, gas was available, so those folks sticking it out could be fed by those in the unaffected or already restored areas.

35 posted on 09/29/2005 8:27:04 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Freebird Forever

Ain't that the truth?


36 posted on 09/30/2005 6:38:45 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: RoseyT

With as many states as FEMA has to cover, I think maybe people expect to much out of them.


37 posted on 09/30/2005 6:40:47 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: El Gato
I definitely understand all of your responses, and agree with you. My overall problem I guess was that fact that this is not living like caveman (not your words) and I just wish more people would act responsible instead of relying on government or other people to solve their problems.
38 posted on 09/30/2005 9:32:30 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: RoseyT

"especially considering the extinuating circumstances of evacuees placing such a strain on gas and food availability."

You're right about that RoseyT. I was in that evacuation out of the Houston Area up 59S and I was amazed at the number of those that apparently seemed to be unprepared gasoline wise for evacuation. Too many thought they would be able to stop along the way and get gasoline. I on the other hand filled up my vehicle (SUV BTW) when I first heard Rita was moving towards Galveston. It took me 17 hrs to get to Jasper to get my mother and move her out, but my "gas guzzler" still had 3/8 tank when I got there and I never stopped for gas even if I could have found it.


39 posted on 10/01/2005 2:10:12 PM PDT by LndaNtexas
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