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Shuttle and Space Station were Mistakes, Space Agency Chief Tells US Daily
AFP ^ | 9/28/05

Posted on 09/28/2005 9:02:35 AM PDT by anymouse

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To: PISANO
Almost 40 years ago our astronauts WALKED on the moon. If 'space exploration' would have continued with that same energy and inspiring vision one can only guess where NASA would be today.

You can thanks Lyndon Baines Johnson for ensuring through his Great Society, that space exploration was doomed. But hey, we have some lovely projects in Newark, Watts and the Bronx to show for it.

21 posted on 09/28/2005 9:19:40 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Rockitz
We learned everything we know about reusable space propulsion hardware from shuttle. That information will be priceless if we ever get to critical mass in repeated flights to orbit.

If I know the government, they'll destroy that information.

22 posted on 09/28/2005 9:19:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: PISANO
they [NASA] changed directions and left the FINAL FRONTIER.

Agreed totally, except it wasn't NASA. It was Congress and the White House. NASA just does what they are told.

23 posted on 09/28/2005 9:20:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: anymouse

Griifing is good, but he still answers to a political boss. Thus we'll be trading two mistakes for one big mistake.


24 posted on 09/28/2005 9:21:45 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: PISANO

In today's 'risk averse' environment, Apollo would have never seen the light of day(from the Moon). Also add all of the countless regulations, specifications, etc. that have been put in place since and I doubt that any hardware would be deemed fit to fly at anywhere close to the cost (in today's dollars) of the entire space program of the 60's.

Wish I had been around to work in the industry back in the 60's instead of 20 years later. Still, the stories told by those that were still thrill me :-)


25 posted on 09/28/2005 9:23:50 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: anymouse
Shuttle and Space Station were Mistakes, Space Agency Chief Tells US Daily

Nah. Jimmy Carter was a mistake. The Shuttle and Space Station were due to design by committee that produced compromises and muddled functionality.

26 posted on 09/28/2005 9:24:29 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: anymouse
I have visited NASA and it is very exciting and interesting.

However, aside from communications and military benefits I have never understood the economics and have always thought it is a financial boondoggle.

I think exploring the earths oceans has more interest and more promises of results.

27 posted on 09/28/2005 9:26:18 AM PDT by concrete is my business (prepare the sub grade, then select the mix design)
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To: BoBToMatoE

You're defending a white elephant. Two in fact. No useful science came from either program but we did manage to kill a lot of astronauts with a flawed design. At least NASA is finally admitting it's gross error and now it may be possible to move forward with a more rational design.

We could recoup some of our investment in the ISS if we de orbited it and sold tickets to the light show. That's about the only useful thing I can think of to do with it.


28 posted on 09/28/2005 9:26:27 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: MHalblaub
For nearly all low gravity experiments you need a station in space and not on moon.

Some experiments can be done on parabolic flights using regular aircraft (the Vomit Comet). Longer duration experiments can be done on automated, unmanned spacecraft. We already have information for long duration manned spaceflight. We don't need to keep repeating it over and over again.

29 posted on 09/28/2005 9:26:30 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: xzins
We put someone on the moon and then decided that the next step was merely orbiting the earth so we could do lab work in a reentry vehicle.

It's almost like we intentionally stopped trying, and waited for the rest of the world to catch up and pass us.

30 posted on 09/28/2005 9:26:32 AM PDT by airborne (My hero - my nephew! Sean is home! Thank you God!)
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To: RadioAstronomer

ping


31 posted on 09/28/2005 9:27:17 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: zarf

Come to think of it, why didn't we put our space station on the moon?

It would then at least be anchored to a stable foundation.


32 posted on 09/28/2005 9:27:38 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("They're thin and they were riding bicycles" - Ted Turner on NK malnutrition.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Tang was developed prior to the space program. It wasn't selling until they got NASA to add it to the astronauts menu. Then every kid in America and most of the rest of the World wanted the crap.


33 posted on 09/28/2005 9:28:09 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: MHalblaub
...Where Mr. Griffin would have built his space station? In the Antarctic, on the moon or on Mars? ...

He's referring to the particular orbit it is in, 51.6 degrees.

See my post #10.

34 posted on 09/28/2005 9:28:42 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I don't look good naked anymore.)
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To: concrete is my business

How is the cost of concrete going to be affected by the run-up of the cost of natural gas and oil? Is that a significant part of the cost?


35 posted on 09/28/2005 9:28:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: airborne
It's almost like we intentionally stopped trying, and waited for the rest of the world to catch up and pass us.

It isn't almost like, it's exactly like, and deliberate policy.

36 posted on 09/28/2005 9:30:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: Lauretij2

It sidetracked the space program which didn't really have anything serious for the next step after the Apollo program. It saddled it with an expensive, hard to maintain launch vehicle, with unrealistic expectations of what it could do to help pay for itself, and didn't know what to do next.

The ISS is is horrible compromise project..too small to do what the original concept was, and very expensive.

The 70s and 80s were bad for the Manned Space Program...and that lack of vision, and the lack of someone to push for it hurt a lot.

It's reached a point that a lot of us die-hard space junkies have wondered if the agency isn't too filled with lack of vision and a certain defeatism, to go to the next level...


37 posted on 09/28/2005 9:31:05 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: RightWhale
How bad would I get flamed for saying what I think? Let's find out.

Kill NASA! Let the private sector do the job! Award government contracts to those companies who prove they can do the job!

38 posted on 09/28/2005 9:33:46 AM PDT by airborne (My hero - my nephew! Sean is home! Thank you God!)
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To: dirtboy

Asked whether the space station had been a mistake, he said: "Had the decision been mine, we would not have built the space station we're building in the orbit we're building it in."

what does he propose?


39 posted on 09/28/2005 9:34:01 AM PDT by daku
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To: tscislaw
That orbit has cost us millions (and perhaps 7 astronauts)

Wrong. Changing the composition of the foam to appease the greenies cost the 7 astronauts.

40 posted on 09/28/2005 9:35:30 AM PDT by PAR35
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