Biology expert testifies. Professor: Intelligent design is creationism.

York Dispatch ^ | 9/27/05 | Christina Kauffman

[connectthedots]

But Miller countered that no scientific theory is a fact...

A significant admission early on in the cross examination.

[bondserv]

When you can put two Ferrari engines together and one of them gets pregnant and bears a liter of little infant Ferrari engines suckling off the mother, then you can make an analogy with evolution.

Does evolution teach that it created organisms that get together and one of them gets pregnant and bears a liter of little infant organisms suckling off the mother?

It can't, doesn't and won't! People who imply that it encompasses the creation of reproduction in living organism, aren't familiar with the lack of available evidence. Without evidence, one is forced to consider these implications a philosophy. Therein lies the problem.

The evidence reveals a commonality of programming in the DNA of living organisms. The evidence reveals that mutations can alter an organism in a horizontal or descending manner, but has not revealed mutations that increase complexity.

Nature is eroding the DNA of humans and the animal kingdom. This is why we see extinctions and not blossoming new forms of life. The evidence shows a tremendous decrease in the number of kinds of animals, and not a single new one. Heck, scientists can't even force a creature to become more complex than it's DNA is already preprogrammed for.

[weegee]

Sounds like if "evolution" was God's plan, that is ID.

All "god did it" is "creationism" now.

[shuckmaster]

The evidence reveals a commonality of programming in the DNA of living organisms. The evidence reveals that mutations can alter an organism in a horizontal or descending manner, but has not revealed mutations that increase complexity.

If you would spend as much time reading real science books as you do reading charlatan pseudo science, you would know something and wouldn't make a fool of your self posting nonsense like this on line for everyone in the world to read.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The one big hang up the evo crowd has is their frevrent hatred of Israel, what is up with that?"

Is there any particular reason you felt the need to fabricate this lie? Show ONE instance on these crevo threads where an evolutionist expresses hatred for Israel or for Jews. Poisoning the well with accusations of antisemitism is beneath even you. Put up or shut up.

[Junior]

No. The original story is divinely inspired—i.e. the actual history recorded in the Bible.

No, the original story was the Epic of Gilgamesh, written more than a millennia before the story of Noah was put to paper. Now, considering the folks writing the story of Gilgamesh were closer to the event, you would think their version would be the most accurate. It seems the Hebrews appropriated the story much later and turned it into a morality tale.

Considering this, and considering the complete lack of physical evidence for a worldwide flood, and knowing that nearly all early civilizations built near rivers, so floods were fairly common and made good plot hooks for stories, one might have to seriously consider rethinking one's interpretation of the Noah story.

Besides, you've already been shown historical evidence why your belief that all people lived near "Babel" ca. 2200 BCE is incorrect. You really need to be more widely read on this than you are before making such claims.

[Junior]

Because that one family had hundreds, then thousands, then millions of descendants.

And yet the genetic evidence does not bear this out. The genetic bottleneck recorded in human genes happened ca. 70,000 years ago, and there were on the order of 1,000 to 2,000 survivors, not eight.

[Junior]

All those infants and fetuses were beyond redemption. Nice.

The "sins of the father" and whatnot...

[Junior]

What's not to worship?

Dunno. I'd have to see pictures, first.

[Junior]

Maybe this is even the same Force that makes all those science academy types so smart.

I'm thinking it's because they worked their butts off studying and devoting a goodly portion of their lives to the subjects they study. Your jealousy reeks of liberalism.

[Junior]

The Noah story is about wiping out humans interbred with nephilum...

So you're saying God is a eugenicist. So those Southern preachers were right and miscegenation is a sin...

[Junior]

The one big hang up the evo crowd has is their frevrent hatred of Israel, what is up with that?

Now where did you get that? As one of the "evo crowd" I'd have to say I like Israel. I've been there a couple of times and really enjoyed myself. The country is cleaner and the people more friendly than many places I've been in the Middle East, or even Europe.

[Junior]

Yes it is wrong, because children might get the idea that the State isn't the highest power in the universe, and they owe their very existence and loyalty always to the State (except during the times evil Republicans are in power). *kof* *splurgh*

False dichotomy. Libertarian atheists (of the Rand set) believe that individual humans are the highest power in the universe, and neither the state nor religion should dominate them.

[PatrickHenry]

What about the samples I have over 6,000 years? And over 8,000 years?

Your error, foolish man of flesh, is that you have succumbed to temptation. You used macro-arithmatic. If you stay with micro-arithmatic you won't fall into heresy.

Hint: You were created with ten fingers, not ten million. There's a reason! Think about it before it's too late.
</internet maniac mode>

[VadeRetro]

The duck billed platypus couldn't have swum all the way from Turkey to Australia.

Then there are the koalas, specialized marsupials of oh-so picky diet almost helpless out in the open on the ground any distance from one their beloved eucalyptus trees. It's a long way from Ararat to Aussieland for those guys!

[Gumlegs]

I sent my real email address to PatrickHenry for safekeeping (not for general broadcast) in case of any inadvertent bannings. Others may consider doing the same.

Gosh! Darwin Central really is the conspiracy that cares!

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

"The one big hang up the evo crowd has is their frevrent hatred of Israel, what is up with that?"

Did you sleep through Sunday school when they discussed the Decalogue? Or does "thou shalt not bear false witness" perchance ring a bell?

[Junior]

I've always felt sorry for the marine life. The salt and fresh waters would've mixed, pretty much spelling the end of life to just about everything living in either.

BTW, that brings up an interesting point. How did the fresh water and sea water "un-mix" when the Flood was over? Shouldn't the oceans and lakes all be pretty brackish, considering all this happened only 5k years ago, or so?

[VadeRetro]

Everyone is to-die-for attractive on the Internet unless and until they are foolish enough to post pictures.

[PatrickHenry]

Gosh! Darwin Central really is the conspiracy that cares!

I've been trying to sell the evo email list to spammers, but so far the only interest that's been shown is from a manufacturer of pocket protectors.