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Biology expert testifies. Professor: Intelligent design is creationism.
York Dispatch ^ | 9/27/05 | Christina Kauffman

Posted on 09/27/2005 9:10:31 AM PDT by Crackingham

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To: Publius6961
Do I believe that intelligent design implies a designer? Yes.

If there was an "intelligence" that created us, then we were "created", and therefore ID is creationism.

The exact deity, or being, or it, or its anthropomorphic nature is irrelevant.

Designers create.

That ID *is* creationism is at the heart of the matter. Because if the ID hypothesis were to be true, then there can be a scientific claim that someone's God is indeed fact, which effects the First Amendment establishment clause.

Although, if ID actually did have evidence to support it, then genuine scientists would be clamoring to the bandwagon. What scientist wouldn't love to get the Nobel for discovering God? The scientist to do that would be more famous than Einstein.

341 posted on 09/27/2005 2:10:01 PM PDT by narby
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To: jennyp
The one with the camera! What you getting at, mister?

Ummm ... nice cat.

342 posted on 09/27/2005 2:11:53 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Goldilocks...  That name still rankled.  I'd cooked for her, rearranged the furniture and even made the bed.  The bed...  One day I'd caught her not sleeping in my bed...
343 posted on 09/27/2005 2:13:29 PM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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To: MineralMan
"Never mind that. Try explaining my three cat's ability to communicate their desire for a can of cat food to me. It works every time, and I can't even speak catlish. I'm pretty sure it's some form of telepathy.

We have two cats and a dog. I swear they tell jokes about me to each other because I catch them laughing at me all the time. I've told the dog to go get my cat a couple of times - which she did. The cat doesn't come to me unless I have treats in my hand.

They are all much brighter than I am.

344 posted on 09/27/2005 2:13:36 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Yes. I am not a CR.


The only way the perfect "christian world order" on earth will happen is when Christ returns. The sooner the better.

Until then...I'm stuck talking to you. Talk about "hell" on earth. ;)


345 posted on 09/27/2005 2:14:59 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: b_sharp

something fishy about that last post.


346 posted on 09/27/2005 2:17:32 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: Right Wing Professor; Gumlegs
wheel-barrow....thats for small timers.

You should see what I got in my garage:


347 posted on 09/27/2005 2:17:50 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Junior

oh, no... what have I started?


348 posted on 09/27/2005 2:18:17 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: wallcrawlr
Talk about "hell" on earth. ;)

Here in Nebraska, we call it heck.

349 posted on 09/27/2005 2:20:56 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Coyoteman
Radiocarbon? Wrong?

Of course it's wrong.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Were you there?
Light speed used to be faster.
Sediment from St. Helens was carved by water, really really fast.
The flood was wet.

I'm right, you aren't.
350 posted on 09/27/2005 2:21:17 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: King Prout
Started? That's how it always began -- with a start. I'd seen others ease into it like hagfish in a bucket, but for me, it was always a start.
351 posted on 09/27/2005 2:21:31 PM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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To: Junior
Good thing for her it was the larger one, the one right next to mine. Why she insisted that we needed three beds all of different sizes, was beyond me. If I had a nickle for all the time I'd wasted "testing" three beds every night, making them up in the morning, not to mention having to shop for all those different-sized sheets ...

I turned, and eyed the window where I could make out Goldilocks at the table, eating from the middle bowl ... that damned middle bowl, not too small, not too large. Just right. Just. So. Damned. Right. Silently, I started calculating the effect a pane of glass would have on the trajectory of a rock thrown from a driveway.

352 posted on 09/27/2005 2:22:05 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: BillT
"Always!

And you know this how?

353 posted on 09/27/2005 2:22:29 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: MineralMan
Follow this train of thought, Mineral Man.

It has been shown that evolution has taken, and is indeed taking, place. Why is it offensive to you that many believe God used this evolutionary mechanism to create life and the universe as we know it today?

Scientists have the advantage here. Because every intelligent person has to consider the proofs of evolution as they have been so far "evolved." But of course, scientists are not required to believe in an Intelligent Designer as they attempt to unravel Evolution and develop answers to the many questions it poses.

I don't get where the 'beef' is. How does it harm "Science" if some people choose to believe Evolution is a tool of the Creator in whom we believe? Evolution exists. Intelligent Design is one theory on WHY it exists.

I think those who fight Intelligent Design are belligerent because they think, like you apparently, it is a way to counter Biblical Creationism. Strict Creationists are opposed to admitting the existence of evolution as a life form developmental mechanism. Period.

By fighting Intelligent Design, which does nothing but enhance your position, you are making common cause, in a very weird way, with anti-scientific forces. You want every one to believe there is no God. They want everyone to believe there is a God, but no evolution.

But if you put it in an educational setting, one would certainly want young people to know their science. Many of us would like them to know, or at least be able to speculate, to what end science, and indeed all human knowledge exists.

Creationists and Atheistic Scientists are polar opposites. The young learn nothing from your fight. You think, and with some reason, that God does not belong in the public market place of ideas. But of course, itiseminently fair to teach that some people

354 posted on 09/27/2005 2:24:10 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Ted ain't a drunk, He's just ahead of the rest of us on the ethanol power thing.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Here in Nebraska, we call it heck.

Is it true that the "N" on the Nebraska football team's helmet stands for "Nolledge"?

355 posted on 09/27/2005 2:24:10 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: jennyp

And, strange to tell, among that Earthen Lot
Some could articulate, while others not:
And suddenly one more impatient cried---
"Who *is* the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?"
--Omar


356 posted on 09/27/2005 2:25:07 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

He's just trying to get you mad. I've been watching creationists for over 50 years; this is one of their more common traits. Those with no sense of morals project their lack onto others.


357 posted on 09/27/2005 2:27:49 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: BillT

You're funny!


358 posted on 09/27/2005 2:28:29 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Free SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: Gumlegs

As my vision narrowed down to the window and the bronze halo of hair wreathing her head, my mind kept wandering to those bears.  I'd seen her talking to them -- especially the little one.  I'd once caught a glimpse of him hanging around down on the corner, eyeing the house but quickly trotting away when I approached.  Something was going on.  Something I just couldn't put my finger on...

359 posted on 09/27/2005 2:28:50 PM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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To: King Prout

Bulwer-Lytton was the better writer, even on dark and stormy nights.


360 posted on 09/27/2005 2:29:44 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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